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Two dead at Aintree already and we haven’t had the main event

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BL0B · 11/04/2026 15:16

Horrible pictures of the horse with the broken back and now another one has gone. Both put down. Stop this barbaric sport

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Uricon2 · 11/04/2026 19:21

As well as dogs, we've had horses with us for our history. They can be ridden safely but what is happening at Aintree and in other steeplechases is not OK.

The fact is that flat racing is very, very much safer. That is quite probably questionable too, but look at the stats.

Jenasaurus · 11/04/2026 19:22

Stickytoffeetartt · 11/04/2026 17:27

It's disgusting and should be stopped. Hopefully we will look back at this in 20 years and be horrified. Unfortunately it is a sport for the elite so it is allowed. Greyhound racing isn't and that's probably why it was rightly banned (although not yet in Ireland ) I'm disgusted at all my relatives placing bets, oh to be completely uncaring and oblivious.

I didn't know greyhound racing has been banned, is that everywhere as Brighton and Hove stadium are advertising race days and one for fathers day in June. As a whippet owner I really hope these races have been banned but am confused as they are advertising race nights still.

Jenasaurus · 11/04/2026 19:24

Jenasaurus · 11/04/2026 19:22

I didn't know greyhound racing has been banned, is that everywhere as Brighton and Hove stadium are advertising race days and one for fathers day in June. As a whippet owner I really hope these races have been banned but am confused as they are advertising race nights still.

Just seen this, looks like its Scotland and Wales at the moment "Greyhound racing is not currently banned nationwide in the UK, but it is in the process of being phased out in Wales and Scotland following votes in 2026. The sport remains legal in England and Northern Ireland, despite ongoing welfare concerns and calls for a total ban"

Tacohill · 11/04/2026 19:25

SpinelessBastardsAll · 11/04/2026 19:08

How many posters eat meat vs are against the horse racing industry? You should start a poll and get back to me.

No because this thread is not all about you.

No one has said anything of the sort.
This thread is purely about horse racing.

I can’t work out if you’re trying to derail the thread or simply a massive narcissist who thinks it’s all about you and your opinion.

Horse racing is barbaric and it is only for humans entertainment.
Therefore it should be banned.

SpinelessBastardsAll · 11/04/2026 19:40

NeverDropYourMooncup · 11/04/2026 19:06

You're not going to help change things by deliberately seeking to create a narrative that abusing an 11 year old is no worse than a 32 year old.

Same with the horses (or whaling, the fur trade, etc) - having a go at people who want those to stop because there is no difference between that and having two boiled eggs for breakfast in the Vegan Eye is not going to encourage anybody to consider changing laws or their own diet.

I said if someone is against child trafficking but had paid sex with women who were trafficked then that would make them a hypocrite. Both are trafficked, both are victims. Both despicable.

And yes, I believe all forms of animal abuse are wrong, be that at a racecourse or the food on our kitchen table.

MrThorpeHazell · 11/04/2026 19:42

sunflowersintheday · 11/04/2026 16:18

I wonder if it's because of the money involved? The same with polo. Very cruel, but a sport of the uber wealthy.

In what way is polo "very cruel"?

Examples please.

This is a serious question.

[Edited for typo.]

Needspaceforlego · 11/04/2026 19:45

Uricon2 · 11/04/2026 17:35

Agree. Our daft, uber affectionate, 3 legged tailess rescue Staffie who had been locked in a house without food prior to us having him would have lasted about 10 minutes 'in the wild'. I don't think (being owned by) a domesticated animal is of it self bad, there are many other aspects around breeding and treatment to concentrate on. Dogs have lived alongside us for most of history.

Horses have also been a huge part of human history.
Its probably only the last 100 years when cars and trucks have taken over that they have become purely a hobby / pass time / leisure pursuit.

I think the race horses at least live a happy life, if they didnt want to run they just wouldn't
Some dogs which have disabilities breed into them, alsations with backs and hips issues, pugs and other dogs with faces so flat they struggle to breathe properly. Bull dogs who need c-sections as the heads are far too big for the mums.

SpinelessBastardsAll · 11/04/2026 19:46

Tacohill · 11/04/2026 19:25

No because this thread is not all about you.

No one has said anything of the sort.
This thread is purely about horse racing.

I can’t work out if you’re trying to derail the thread or simply a massive narcissist who thinks it’s all about you and your opinion.

Horse racing is barbaric and it is only for humans entertainment.
Therefore it should be banned.

You are falling back on name calling not me. This thread is about animals that are abused. I'm defending them,not myself.

Fromyonfarcountryblows · 11/04/2026 19:48

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 11/04/2026 18:02

@godmum56 No. The horse did not fall. He misjudged the fence and landed very awkwardly. More like a sprawl. It’s extremely unusual for this to happen - usually a horse will have strained muscles after doing this. You see similar at three day eventing. The horse did not lose his jockey.

I have to say DH and me thought he was not moving well but assumed his muscles had been strained. I could not believe the eventual injury and it’s not a standard racing injury at all.

I absolutely love horse racing and I’m not apologizing for that. The horses are bred to do this job. They are far better cared for than many horses and there are risks for any competition horse when jumping. The sport is not going anywhere and the National today has had fallers but no problems afterwards.

No one is obliged to watch. Many people understand the risk - as mountaineers understand the risk and leave their families behind. No high value, high risk sport is without casualties and horses are not people. They are bred for this job and I’m still going racing after 60 years! We should celebrate what the horse can do. It’s just amazing.

I’m an ex horse owner including point to pointers/retired race horses. I used to believe like many and for many years that race horses and other top competition horses were very well looked after. Brought up on the BHS/pony club manuals:books stating that competition horses shouldn’t live out and that stabling a large animal in a 12ft x12ft was the best thing.
But now common sense has prevailed. Most flat racers are broken as yearlings many suffer significant injuries lots will have awful foot confirmation, many have stable vices and stomach ulcers associated with a completely unnatural way they’ve been kept, almost all won’t be successful and for the more sane attempted to be sold cheaply as potential riding horses but often get passed around because most riders lack the necessary skills to ride them. I know I’m a member of a race horse retraining group. And I’m proud to say that I now understand the physiological and psychology needs of a horse in a way I didn’t used too. I know that you do not keep a fright flight herd animal separated from its herd mates, that you don’t coop up an animal that’s meant to constantly on the move and spend 18+ hours a day eating fibre in a very enclosed space and in the case of race horses not feed them the ad lib fibre they have evolved to eat, if you kept a lion like this an animal that sleeps 18+ hours a day Joe Public would be outraged. Just because you put a wrap a horse up in rugs brush mud of it and give it a deep bed of straw does not mean you are looking after it better than scruffy muddy ponies living out on the hills in fact you definitely aren’t.
So no race horses and not better looked after than most other horses it’s time the horse industry stopped peddling this myth. . Even the BHS are starting to move with the times and have started to promote the idea of the 3 Fs freedoms fibre and friends.

Needspaceforlego · 11/04/2026 19:54

I will admit I don't agree with them racing horses that are too young. Thats just cruel.

Goldeh · 11/04/2026 20:27

"They're bred for it" and "they love to do it" are bullshit arguments. Horses participation in racing is the result of induced compliance. The environment of the track, riding equipment such as bits, bridles, etc, and the use of whips all exist as a means of forcing the horse to run. They are not there as autonomous competitors and they're not racing by choice. Everything about racing is designed to override the natural behaviours of the horse and push them into doing what humans want then to do. Even breeding is done by force and with suboptimal welfare at its heart. Dubious practices include the use of "teaser's", usually horses not suitable for breeding, they're put in with a mare to see how she reacts in order to check if she's in heat however this often results in injuries to the teaser as she is liable to bite/kick him. The prevailing attitude is that it's better she kicks the teaser than the expensive stallion. In-demand stallions are flown around the world (at incredible stress to the animal) and mares are restrained for forcible breeding. The thoroughbred gene pool is incredibly narrow, and getting narrower all the time, which results in a lack of genetic diversity and increases the likelihood of producing horses with defects, propensity to injury, and physiological weaknesses (all of which increase their risk when racing).

"They live like kings," except they don't. Not at all. Thoroughbreds are an expensive commodity and are treated as such. Rollicking around in a paddock brings with it the chance of injury. The horse might eat something it shouldn't in a field of grass. If it's with other horse they might hurt each other. They could be stolen. They could fall. They could get too hot or too cold or - heaven forbid - they might do all manner of normal horse stuff. The majority are kept in enclosed, highly controlled spaces and only get out for a very restricted period each day before being enclosed once again. As a PP pointed out, hoof problems are rife as are ulcers and it's from being stabled for the majority of the day. They don't eat like kings either, they're fed manufactured food designed with performance in mind but it isn't good for them and, by the age of three, over 80% of thoroughbreds have chronic gastric ulcers. By the age of three, over 70% will have suffered at least one significant injury.

And that's the horses who are the chosen few, the ones who can win. Let's not even get into the issue of wastage within the industry.

All the stuff about the love of horses and the love of the "sport" is crap. No one who cares about horses could put them through the exploitative horseracing industry where winning is placed at a higher level of importance than welfare. None of it is for the benefit of the horses.

The whole point of steeplechasing is the risk. It's no coincidence at all that it's popularity took off at the same time as dog-fighting and bear-baiting were banned, horseracing is essentially a socially acceptable bloodsport. As unpalatable as it is for racing fans to admit, people watch it in part for the possibility of seeing falls. And that's not just hyperbole, studies have shown that the punters want it to be risky, they enjoy it more because it makes it more exciting. The fences are designed to push the horses to their physical limits and test their survivability rather than their skill. Statistically, most horses fall at the first fence on any given steeplechase but the odds of finishing a race diminish with each subsequent fence because the risk is accumulative.

I'd also like to add that the carbon footprint and degree of water consumption in horseracing is staggeringly huge too and is contributing to climate change. It is also explorative to people lower down the hierarchy than the elite owners. Lads (especially female Lads) work in shockingly bad conditions for minimal pay and are treated appallingly. Jockeys are also exploited, eating disorders, alcoholism, and drug-use pose significant a problem in the industry. There have been many jockey deaths and life changing injuries over the years (not as many as horses though).

But still, at least you can have a few moments of happiness betting on the gee-gees while funding an exploitative industry built on the literal dead bodies of horses and their riders.

WiddlinDiddlin · 11/04/2026 20:29

Westfacing · 11/04/2026 17:51

Can someone please explain just how a horse can have its back broken during a race? I'm assuming the jockey wasn't overweight

He either took off wrong, as he crashed his hind legs through the fence rather than lifting them clear or it happened when he landed both hind legs out behind him, hyper flexing his pelvis and back, backwards/upwards in a way it is not meant to move.

Obviously it wasn't a complete severing of the spinal cord as he got up and carried on running and whilst I do believe the jockey did not know the severity of the injury, there is NO way he did not feel the weird 'shitty nappy round my knees' wide legged gait behind.

Spinal injuries vary in severity and you can break a bone in your spine but not sever the spinal cord, I've two friends who have had a broken neck in the past, one didn't know until an xray years later showed up the old break site... But continuing to push the horse on would have exacerbated that break at every stride, until after the line, he had done irreparable damage. (Though the chances are given it was already affecting his gait at the time the out come would have been the same, just behind closed doors).

Tacohill · 11/04/2026 21:08

SpinelessBastardsAll · 11/04/2026 19:46

You are falling back on name calling not me. This thread is about animals that are abused. I'm defending them,not myself.

Agree totally with OhFukyNell. What's on your plate for dinner tonight? No racehorse will be suspended upside down from its feet and plunged into boiling hot electrified water before having its throat slit... Racing is despicable and visible to judgment, i would stop it this very second if i could. But the silent misery that is the meat industry is much worse and utilised willingly.

How are you defending them when you said you agreed with the poster who said she was ‘on the fence’ about whether it should be banned because as you say the meat industry is much worse.

If you cared about animals then you wouldn’t be on a thread trying to argue why horse racing isn’t that bad compared to other things.

Of course there is much crueller things happening that horse racing but this thread is not about those things.

Feel free to start a thread about other types of animal cruelty and I’ll be the first to support you but I would bf be saying that I’m on the fence because there are other examples of animal cruelty.

PomplaMouse · 11/04/2026 21:12

Horse racing is vile, as are the scum who enjoy it.

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 11/04/2026 21:28

@PomplaMouseNo. We are not, we just have different views to you.

dreamlove · 11/04/2026 21:34

Triskellion75 · 11/04/2026 19:02

Yeah, how come whenever I go past a field with horses in they're just standing there munching grass?

I’m not supporting racing but horses do often gallop, play and jump of their own free will
I owned a horse that jumped for fun and would spend the day popping the fence in and out of fields, totally ignoring his field mates. If you shouted him to come to the gate of his field, he would just jump all the fences instead Blush

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 11/04/2026 21:35

What a load of hyperbole on this thread. Hugely and wildly inaccurate. People who know nothing about breeding horses or racing them think they know everything. They don’t. Of course a thoroughbred is bred to race. It’s what the breed is dedicated to. The same way some human beings like running marathons or climbing mountains. They won’t be denied their chance and horses should not be either. They have gilded lives and far better than the average hobby riders horse. Yes, of course they require training but so do dogs. Look at Crufts. Thoroughbreds want to race. It’s a wonderful thing to see them.

Homebaby · 11/04/2026 22:08

Why do you all only pipe up about welfare in racing at Cheltenham and Aintree time? Do you forget about the "cruelty* the rest of the year?
For anyone who isn't aware, racing goes on pretty much every day up and down the country yet it's rare to see any concern at any other time. I'm guessing that it's down to these meetings being in the spotlight and every death being headline news. I find it really sad that people exploit the deaths of horses they probably don't even know the names or history of to get a bit of attention on social media.

PomplaMouse · 11/04/2026 22:12

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 11/04/2026 21:28

@PomplaMouseNo. We are not, we just have different views to you.

I guess that's two things we have different views on, then.

SpinelessBastardsAll · 11/04/2026 22:44

Tacohill · 11/04/2026 21:08

Agree totally with OhFukyNell. What's on your plate for dinner tonight? No racehorse will be suspended upside down from its feet and plunged into boiling hot electrified water before having its throat slit... Racing is despicable and visible to judgment, i would stop it this very second if i could. But the silent misery that is the meat industry is much worse and utilised willingly.

How are you defending them when you said you agreed with the poster who said she was ‘on the fence’ about whether it should be banned because as you say the meat industry is much worse.

If you cared about animals then you wouldn’t be on a thread trying to argue why horse racing isn’t that bad compared to other things.

Of course there is much crueller things happening that horse racing but this thread is not about those things.

Feel free to start a thread about other types of animal cruelty and I’ll be the first to support you but I would bf be saying that I’m on the fence because there are other examples of animal cruelty.

True actually, some horses do receive a bolt through the head the same at calves and spent dairy cows. Though most have a much kinder ending with a vet.
I've already said I would end all racing (dogs too) if i could. Again, animal abuse on any level is abhorrent, and has its place on a thread about animals being abused and killed.

Goldeh · 11/04/2026 22:52

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 11/04/2026 21:35

What a load of hyperbole on this thread. Hugely and wildly inaccurate. People who know nothing about breeding horses or racing them think they know everything. They don’t. Of course a thoroughbred is bred to race. It’s what the breed is dedicated to. The same way some human beings like running marathons or climbing mountains. They won’t be denied their chance and horses should not be either. They have gilded lives and far better than the average hobby riders horse. Yes, of course they require training but so do dogs. Look at Crufts. Thoroughbreds want to race. It’s a wonderful thing to see them.

They don't live gilded lives and being forced to race is not comparable to humans climbing mountains as a hobby. It has nothing to do with denying them their "chance".

Howmanycatsistoomany · 12/04/2026 10:27

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 11/04/2026 21:35

What a load of hyperbole on this thread. Hugely and wildly inaccurate. People who know nothing about breeding horses or racing them think they know everything. They don’t. Of course a thoroughbred is bred to race. It’s what the breed is dedicated to. The same way some human beings like running marathons or climbing mountains. They won’t be denied their chance and horses should not be either. They have gilded lives and far better than the average hobby riders horse. Yes, of course they require training but so do dogs. Look at Crufts. Thoroughbreds want to race. It’s a wonderful thing to see them.

Are you seriously suggesting all a TB foal wants to be when it grows up is a racehorse?

Racehorses, along with most competition horses, do NOT live gilded lives. They live in 12x12 boxes with very limited turnout. Hence the high incidence of gastric ulcers, box walking, cribbing, and other stereotypical stress behaviours. That's a shit life for a horse.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 12/04/2026 10:44

BL0B · 11/04/2026 15:24

A part of me is hoping more die and then they might consider actually stopping it! Imagine if humans died doing the olympics, it wouldn’t carry on

Key Olympic Competition Fatalities
Francisco Lázaro (1912, Summer): Portuguese marathoner, first to die in Olympic competition.
Knud Enemark Jensen (1960, Summer): Danish cyclist, collapsed due to heatstroke.
Ross Milne (1964, Winter):
Australian skier, died during a training run.
Kazimierz Kay-Skrzypeski (1964, Winter): British luger, died in a training crash.
Nodar Kumaritashvili (2010, Winter): Georgian luger, killed in a training run crash in Vancouver.
Nicolas Bochatay (1992, Winter): Swiss speed-skier, died after colliding with a snow grooming vehicle.

BL0B · 12/04/2026 10:47

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 12/04/2026 10:44

Key Olympic Competition Fatalities
Francisco Lázaro (1912, Summer): Portuguese marathoner, first to die in Olympic competition.
Knud Enemark Jensen (1960, Summer): Danish cyclist, collapsed due to heatstroke.
Ross Milne (1964, Winter):
Australian skier, died during a training run.
Kazimierz Kay-Skrzypeski (1964, Winter): British luger, died in a training crash.
Nodar Kumaritashvili (2010, Winter): Georgian luger, killed in a training run crash in Vancouver.
Nicolas Bochatay (1992, Winter): Swiss speed-skier, died after colliding with a snow grooming vehicle.

Okay but they chose to participate.

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XDownwiththissortofthingX · 12/04/2026 10:53

BL0B · 12/04/2026 10:47

Okay but they chose to participate.

Indeed, but the basic premise that sporting events would be prohibited if humans died participating is false. There are exceptions, Switzerland banned motor-racing outright decades ago and AFAIK the ban still holds, but generally speaking sporting spectacle takes precedence over sanctity of human life too, not just that of animals.