To think the junior / resident doctors are greedy, selfish, entitled & lazy?

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So the resident doctors are out on strike. Yet again. Patients are being inconvenienced & treatments delayed. Yet again.

They have received a pay rise of 28.9% over that last 3 years, which is by far the highest increase of any group in the public sector. Very few people in the private sector, who ultimately pay the doctors’ salaries, have received anything like as much. Very few of their patients will ever earn as much as a resident doctor. Yet still it’s not enough and they are demanding even more.

Doctors do an important job and deserve to be paid properly for it. But the BMA’s current approach is completely unreasonable and deluded. They talk about “pay restoration’ to 2008 levels but that’s completely unrealistic. The country is poorer now & simply can’t afford it. AIBU to think they should get back to work?

@Vinvertebrate Barista? Why?

Excuse me, English is my second language.
I find you quite nasty in response so I won't read your posts further and do not reply to mine.

You then implied that he was doing private work during his working week. What you meant was during the normal working week so Monday - Friday. Until you later clarified that his normal working week allows a non working day during mon- Fri.

Most posters would find the manner in which you communicated the above quite lacking and yes, misleading.

I also think his job plan and situation highly unusual but there you go.

@MeetMeOnTheCorner

Because apparently they get paid more e.g.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/junior-doctors-strike-pret-coffee-b2299026.html

Never mind the fact that the coffee guy will never earn more than his current salary, gets no uplifts, or pension, etc.

@Vinvertebrate I see! Ludicrous! As the BMA is.

Unusual, obviously. Senior consultants who manage others are self-evidently required in smaller numbers than the people reporting to them, as with any other workplace.

It’s absolutely unhinged that your first reaction to “private work within M to F” was to clutch your pearls and start shrieking about fraud, dishonesty and how you’d regrettably be compelled to report DH to his regulator. Those are extremely serious allegations and when entirely unfounded, a curt response is entirely to be expected.

DH’s first (or second, actually) language isn’t English either, but luckily he’s not daft. And I will reply to who I like - MN is enough of an echo chamber without the thread gestapo.

Not lazy,but wrong to be striking AGAIN.
Their chosen career has lots of opportunity for development and ultimately earning top wages. They know the pay scales when they go into medicine. Nobody is forced to become a doctor. No sympathy here.

Maybe then you could avoid such poor communication: stating your husband earns 200k and, wink-wink, still does private practice during the working week implies strongly that he is doing the private practice during his working week.

Perhaps you should stop misrepresenting him here. There's a thought.

And it's not pearl clutching.
It's called probity.

Sorry meant to quote the other poster.

It's not pearl clutching. It's called probity.

The “wink wink” was entirely a figment of your seemingly rather vivid imagination, dear. I made a factual statement about my DH’s working pattern, which didn’t suit your little narrative about the poor, struggling doctors, barely able to afford golf club membership and the down payment on a Merc, bless them.

Probity is great, I’m all for that. But giving full beans to a hysterical rant based on a MN post is probably not the best way to demonstrate it.

If people don't push back against wage increases which aren't in line with inflation it's just a race to the bottom.

Unskilled teachers, paramedics, military? How insulting. Other professions are also highly skilled of course, but they are less likely to hold the country to ransom compared to the junior doctors.

Which means the private sector, which largely lacks the means to negotiate salary en masse, has to fund the doctors’ pay bonanza from their generally much smaller salaries, which barely even increase with inflation in the current climate and are now also taxed up the chuff.

You can kind of see why the public are not on board with this one.

@MajorProcrastination Doctors will have had 35% with this recent offer over the last 4 years. They have the best pensions, to which we contribute 25%. What can you get that in the private sector? Then there’s overtime and undociable hours payments and toil. These doctors are not underpaid when you look at the total package. This is why the majority don’t support the strike. Add in great advancement salaries and the opportunity to make big bucks abroad at our expense. Working abroad is always in an insurance based scheme by the way. One that’s not trained them or a NHS. Hypocritical if nothing else and grabby.

I support them. They work extremely hard, are often burnt out, their job is barely comparable to any other public sector role. I also do not think they are greedy.

The base starting salary of £38,831 is not low; it is well above the UK average salary, and increases year on year with pay scale progression.

I have no issue with Dr’s fighting for more pay. I will never think somebody is”greedy” or “selfish” for wanting a pay increase.

Low “considering how much training and education they need to do”.

@JHound Only they have already had 30% and the current offer will make it 35% in 4 years. Plus the massive cost in pensions that brings about. It’s excessive and not fair on others who are equally trained and important. Doctors are not the only people who train for years for the public good but shout the loudest. Their earnings are a minimum. They are enhanced by over time and allowances. It’s not a basic salary and just under £40,000 as a new entrant is good.

this is wrong. There are still an awful lot of staff grades/specialty doctors/associate specialists (currently propping up the rotas during the strikes!).

@Greybeardy The nhs Doctors pay document is not wrong. There are bands for qualification stage as you would expect and seniority.

the quotes about the definition of 'resident doctors' and about staff grades having disappeared were wrong.

Someone said they won’t be sitting on trolleys due to the strike. That’s the norm as no beds, failed discharges and the movement is so slow when boarding patients and that’s not down to the doctors. This has to be the most uneducated deluded statement ever.