School as child care

[Differentforgirls]

From another thread.

A poster said that state schools are there for helping parents to work. Therefore teachers are childminders. Teachers!

I think schools are there to educate our children and, though the staff go above and beyond these days, that is their primary function.

AIBU?

In loco parentis does not equal child care.

Child care is the care and supervision of children. Teaching is transmitting knowledge to a learner.

Teachers may also supervise children and provide very basic care but their primary aim is to teach.

When my younger DC are in school each week it's respite time for me. It helps me stay well.

So they are caring for the child then.

Nothing wrong with the length of a school day for young kids.

School are educational

But now it helps people with childcare as both parents work.

Previously children went to work

You’re arguing a point no one disagrees with.

Just because teachers provide supervision and basic care whilst trying to teach does not make them childcare workers.

A school may ask a parent to come in and change a child’s clothing for example, a child care worker won’t.

They are there to teach, and provide a basic level of care and supervision. That is not childcare. Teachers don’t have the skills to care for children.

For example, to become a registered childminder in England, you must complete a 12-hour Paediatric First Aid course, relevant safeguarding training, and a childminding pre-registration course (such as HBCA) covering the Early Years Foundation Stage (EYFS). You must also pass an enhanced DBS check, food safety training, and a health check.

Most teachers do not have a First Aid qualification or child-minding qualifications or because the government recognises they are not child care workers.

Clearly schools are there to educate. However at early primary school level that education isn’t vastly different from childcare - it’s a lot about social skills, encouraging better behaviours. By secondary school age, then it shouldn’t have to be so much about that, and it shouldn’t be about education. There is no way I could teach my kids at a secondary/sixth form level and my dc have been lucky enough to have had some fab teachers who have really engaged them with their subjects.

It absolutely is childcare. As is being repeatedly stated, parents can go to work because their children are in the care of others. Teachers may not like it (snobbery) but they are absolutely childcare providers. It doesn’t matter that the care is basic, it is still childcare. That doesn’t mean that they are not educators.

If people want to treat teachers as childcare that would be fine if they paid them as such 😂
Average £10/ hour for 7 hours a day = £70.
Multiply that by the 32 kids in a classroom = £2240 a day.
Multiply that by the 180 days in a school calendar = £403,200 per year.

Sounds ok to me 😂

On a serious note, no, schools shouldn't be seen as childcare. But equally, if life is going to get so increasingly expensive that both parents have to work to survive, then absolutely someone needs to think of an alternative way of supporting parents to do that better.

Where did I say it did? And where did the poster who the OP called ‘appalling’ say it did? She simply pointed out that they do have in loco parentis and therefore there is a certain amount of overlap in regards to responsibility to childcare. This is all just rather tedious semantics.

They can ask parents to come in to collect a sick child, just like any other child care setting. Guidance says parents shouldn't be expected to come in to change a child. My DC have changes of clothes for wet days/after forest school. I've never been called in to change them.

Do posters believe 5 YOs are ok without childcare for 6 hours a day and if not, who is providing the care they say schools do not? Schools do not allow parents to accompany them.

What does that have to do with people viewing education as childcare?

What failures?

Fully agree.

💯 agree that teachers are there to teach..not to parent children/replace mum and dad and teach children life skills that should be taught by parents. I think teachers are expected to do too much tbh. However calling a spade a spade....of course school is some form of childcare...what would you like to happen? Parents pay for childcare they won't use for the hours DC are in school? For parents to not work at all during week when dc after school ? Its silly and unrealistic say school is not a form of childcare when it obviously is and has been since school began.

As you were a 'part time parent'.

What do you mean by “takes care”?

I think what I'm gathering is that you have drank the DM kool aid and believe all DC start school in nappies. That you believe the word 'nappies' and 'childcare' are interchangeable. My DC are both in paid childcare today and I wouldn't expect them to change nappies.

Some parents see school as education to support them building their child's future, some see it as somewhere to park their for free child with a mug to look after them so they don't have to.

It has always been the way

In 20 years time the "mug" parents will complain that their kids weren't successful because they didn't have the same opportunity as the "education" parents.

Snobbery?

In what way?

Agree.

No, I think most parents see it as both. Most working parents do not have a emergency nanny fully employed and I have not seen any statistics to show that DC of SAHM's or unemployed Mums are more successful.