School as child care

[Differentforgirls]

From another thread.

A poster said that state schools are there for helping parents to work. Therefore teachers are childminders. Teachers!

I think schools are there to educate our children and, though the staff go above and beyond these days, that is their primary function.

AIBU?

I think I know. You keep working , but keep quiet about the role that schools have in it. No acknowledging that your kids going to school helps with work, no moaning if the school is shut, no telling other people that childcare becomes easier /cheaper once their kids start school, no talking about sorting out your work hour/AL around school hours or term times. None of that. It should all be a big secret. Then OP might be happy, but probably not.

It's funny as well because my mum had 3 kids in 4 years, two of us twins so she couldn't afford to go back to work (days before free childcare and my dad was very much the higher earner) to work as a teacher until we were in school.

So for her and my dad, school played an absolute essential childcare function to allow my mum to be a teacher. Fancy that!

Yes, but we shouldn’t talk about it. Just like Fight Club.😬

😂😂

Oh, so you home schooled them then.

What do you mean “what did you do when they were at school”? What do you do when yours are?

I assume they went to work like the rest of us.

But to you that's not acceptable as apparently that means we're viewing school as childcare. Or we're not raising our children. You've made so many nonsensical posts I lose track.

Work

I use my children’s school time as an opportunity to work, but that wasn’t an acceptable answer for you, so we’re all wondering what you did instead

What do you think the difference is between your role and a nursery assistant? You can do both roles with the same qualification and very similar pay. A TA in reception would be using the same curriculum that childminders/nursery staff would use. Both school and a nursery/childminder would send a sick child home.

It's amazing the amount of teachers and t.a bleating on their job is to educate only (WHICH NO ONE IS SAYING THEY DON'T) but don't think they have any sort of caring or supervision responsibilities.

Whether I am at work or at home is irrelevant. When my child is in the care of their teacher or t.a at school they are then your responsibility. You have a legal and moral responsibility to safeguard and supervise my child and prevent them from coming from harm or anything else untoward happening to them.

That us literally what "care" is. Yes I want you to educate them but while they are at school in the hours that local authority dictates they are there, I expect them to be cared for and supervised. And I am pretty sure this is written in your contract.

I am not asking you to change nappies, or brush their teeth and yes I will get them if ill. But if any of these educational professionals think that their job is educational only and that they have no ethical, legal and moral obligation towards the safeguarding and wellbeing of children in their care, than I suggest a change of career may be best for you.

I do understand your points.
Unfortunately, it sounds like a lot of patentscant't be bothered to potty train so do expect teachers to do nappies (obviously not including SEND in that as that is completely different.)

Schools are also now somehow responsible for making sure children know how to brush their teeth. I feel this is a step too far and that we as parents should take responsibility for this type of thing.

I don't deny there's a delay in kids being potty trained and some starting school in nappies however I wonder just how much is exaggerated by the media.

My son is 4 and has been since he was 2.5. I'm friends with a lot of parents with kids similar ages and they've all been potty trained for well over a year. The overwhelming number of kids in his nursery pre-school room are also potty trained and it seems similar with other friends. A small number but it just doesn't seem to be this epidemic of kids not toilet trained as it's made out to be.

And anyway it's a slight deviation off topic.

Work … but that’s not the right thing to do according to you!!!

Exactly what I did, but I saw their education as exactly that - not child care.

I know it’s been asked a thousand times but I can’t resist.
Who was looking after your children while they were at school?
Or is it just possible that in addition to educating your children the teachers were also looking after them?

I suspect you actually know this is the case but you’re too stubborn to say so!

But it's free to send my child to school which just so happens when I need to work.

Do I need to pay for school now if I need to work during these times? Who do I make this payment too, given education is free?

So you sent your children off to a bunch of strangers with no expectation that they have a duty of care towards them?

Did you bollocks.

Attention.

You really are just a parody of a troll at this point, aren't you?

Bless your little cotton socks that you haven't realised we all know this.

It's painful isn't it?

We now seemed to have reaches a point where it seems to be OK to go to work while your children go to school if you "value education" though it seems quite unclear who is looking after the children while they are at school if not the teachers.

It's apparently not OK to go to work while your children go to school if you expect your children to be looked after by teachers even if you value education and want your child to learn at school because teachers only function is education and they shouldn't be looking after children at all, despite it being a pretty big bloody part of their job to ensure children are kept safe and cared for in their classroom.

Have I got it right?

Still doing it. Stop tugging my skirt. It’s tiresome.

Starting to malfunction a bit now, are we?

You still haven't answered who was looking after your children at school if at wasn't the teachers?

I mean I'm assuming you wanted them go have some sort of responsibility towards your child to keep them safe or would you have been quite happy for your child to go missing on a school trip for example or get seriously hurt in a classroom?