School as child care

[Differentforgirls]

From another thread.

A poster said that state schools are there for helping parents to work. Therefore teachers are childminders. Teachers!

I think schools are there to educate our children and, though the staff go above and beyond these days, that is their primary function.

AIBU?

Btw, whatever I said to get my post deleted, I apologise.

Some posters on here have really stressed me out and I don’t think they realise that I’m a person with feelings.

I just wanted to point out that that teachers can change a child’s life by teaching and childminders can change a child’s life by caring and both are important, but we shouldn’t muddle the two.

huh? Interesting summary.

I'm allowed on whichever thread I like. Why on earth would people follow you around? We’re all on different threads! 😂

You accused me of being mentally unwell because I disagreed with you. I haven’t insulted you or been rude. I literally just disagreed with the points you were making. That’s it.

I think you need to take your own advice and realise we’re all people and we’re allowed to have different views on things.

Well you have…

I don’t think they’re taking the OP personally. It’s your responses that people taking personally because as soon as someone disagrees with you or calls you out, you go on the attack and name call.

Cant remember that but if I did I am sorry. However, I won’t respond to you again as, imo, you were horrible to me (and I didn’t mix you up). Take care though x

If you don’t want to be stressed out maybe ease back on inflammatory and offensive comments about both working parents and mental illness.

If school didn’t have a childcare component, you would have to accompany them there and stay with them all day. But you don’t.

I haven’t been horrible to you.
Ive read all my posts and there isn’t anything horrible in anything I’ve said.

I’d be interested in what it is I’ve said that’s so bad.

And when would teachers and education staff have this “better life” with their families?

If DD’s school is shut down, I don’t think fuck, is need to find alternative education, I think fuck, I need to find childcare. You know, so I can go educate other people’s kids. And so will think most working parents. That doesn’t mean we view teachers as childminder or babysitters.

I seriously wish this was x and I could block your attention seeking.

Sorry, but done.

Exactly!

I doubt teachers want to parent other people’s children, with the current curriculum there isn't time especially at Secondary and any potential kickback from parents anyway “interfering”. There was talk about checking their teeth - when do teachers do that and how will they really know what to look for, this is a parenting issue checking their own kids and ensuring an annual dentist check up.
In Maths children are taught Compound Interest Rates to help them understand mortgage payments as one person commented they should be taught; they are.
They are taught nutrition, cooking, hopefully textiles, woodwork etc. Sadly there isn’t a lot of time left for everything.

So you can’t give an example of when I’ve supposedly been horrible to you? That’s because I haven’t and you’ve made it up to justify calling me mentally ill.

There has only been one horrible person and it’s you I’m afraid.

How will I live without a strangers approval on the internet? Look, you were awful to me over many posts and I probably was with you. However, we are complete strangers and you’re beginning to do my nut in. Please just let it go!

I don’t like being accused of something I haven’t done. So no, you don’t get to tell me to let it go.
Why you think it’s appropriate to make stories up about other people is beyond me.

Not one of my posts has been deleted ( unlike yours) so at least it’s clear that I’ve been respectful throughout.

Perhaps reflect on that?

This sentiment comes up every so often and I’m genuinely never sure what the posters actually mean by “school isn’t childcare”.

School isn’t for children who can’t function totally independently? So keep them all at home until they are 7 and no child with additional needs that require “caring” for can attend?

Teachers shouldn’t have to deal with any personal or pastoral issues?

Schools shouldn’t have wrap around care?

Children shouldn’t get break times/ should go home for lunch every day?

Teachers should deliver lecture style lessons at the front of classrooms and rarely interact with the children?

Everything that isn’t strictly education should be stripped from the school timetable?

What do these posters actually mean????

State schools weren’t created for the benefit of the children, out of the goodness of the elite’s hearts. The lack of education in Britain meant the workforce was falling behind in terms of competitiveness with other countries in Europe. It was done to boost the economy, to make a productive workforce for factory owners. Previous to that, most children did not get to stay at home doing enriching activities with mother. They were shunted around to whoever was available, taken into the fields from birth and factories from when they were very young and they worked. Every 2 year old can help glean dropped grains of corn. Many were sent off to other households to be apprentices from 10 or so. Their parents had to work. They were in part raised by older siblings and cousins.

School was never childcare because most children didn’t get childcare anyway. They walked to and from school by themselves / with other children and went back to empty houses or played out until an adult got home.

We live in a very different world. Parents aren’t all working around the corner. Safeguarding and social norms about children being alone have changed. Families are dispersed. Schools have the space and the ability to be childcare as well as educate. It doesn’t mean teachers have to do it all but it could all happen on the same site, with hours that work for those parents that have jobs. We could pressure employers allow children to come into workplaces? Or the government can pay parents a top up wage to encourage them to work fewer hours and parent more. I’m sure many would love that.

Oh. I think I’ve worked out what this is about.

OP is extremely proud of herself for never having used childcare. Therefore school and nursery can’t be childcare. It all makes sense. Wrong, but at least I understand what she is on about.

Teachers are there to educate.

An education allows children to become productive members of society. Before school became compulsory many children went to work with their parents and carried out work of their own. An education is a privilege too many take for granted, a teacher can’t teach if they are carrying out general ‘care’.

Ok, so who is taking “general care” of the 4yo and 5yo the government insist we send to school? Because my 5yo is definitely not taking care of care of himself for the 6.5 hours he in reception each week day, and I would be quite rightly investigated by the police if I left him with no “general care” for that length of time.

Well, in EYFS and even KS1, there’s still plenty of care that is needed. There isn’t a dedicated member of staff for it, the parents aren’t there , so who does the actual care? Are the children just being taught and not cared for?

This is all academical anyway. Parents also use schools as an aid to enable to work. It’s an embedded benefit. You can’t separate the two.You can’t stop or change that.

Yeah I don't think I contradicted any of that, did I? I don't know why people are picking up on two sentences I posted on page 1 when things have moved on massively since then.

Anyway, as to your last line - dog walkers can't walk if they're picking up shit. Bus drivers can't drive the bus if they're taking payments. Copywriters can't write copy if they're doing research.

(I can keep going, I've got at least 3 more...)