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AIBU WTF To Do Manipulative Mother

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chatgptmeup · 07/04/2026 17:53

I have a narcissistic mum, part of me wonders if she is mentally beginning to mentally decline (in her 70s). Both myself and my sister had eating disorders and other issues by the time we left home. We didn't want for anything growing up, but mentally my mum was a piece of work. On paper it sounds obvious, go no contact. If I do that though, I cut off my dad, who I love dearly, but has no backbone, and somehow tolerates/likes her. My parents are joined at the hip, if I am lucky, I get my dad alone on a call once every 6 months. She is always right there.

In my 20s, I moved far away from home, went to therapy, mentally got stronger, battled my ED, and for the most part am now ok. I did very well for myself at work (very high up in my field), have a great DH, lovely DC, and the best dog I could have hoped for. My parents came to visit us recently, and it wasn't great for anyone. My mum clearly hates that I am successful. I know deep down it comes from her own insecurities, but anytime my dad brought up my career successes, she likened my job to a ponzi scheme/bringing the world down, and asked several times if I was worried that I would be arrested one day (which as truly bonkers). For background, I work in a heavily regulated financial sector and am squeaky clean, definitely do not do anything illegal, and our company would never do anything wrong, I literally help set that tone from the top. She constantly brought up the fact that she was shocked that I answered emails and calls out of hours, that my children went to school and after school care. Constant comments were made of "well do you think it is fair your husband has to bath the children because you are doing x?", "how is he able to cope with the dinners?". She talked about my sibling constantly, apparently the sun shines out of his arse and always has. He is in my opinion a deadbeat dad who disappeared for years from his children, and didn't give his ex-wife a penny as he decided just not to work for years. He relies on my parents financially, therefore he talks to my mum, and she controlls him.

There was a fallout on the last day of her visit when she chose do to other things than come to family dinner and see my children (and hadn't seen them that day in general). After I told them why I was upset, she refused to aplogise, then tried to gaslight my dad into guilt tripping me into moving on. I finally received a half hearted apology a full day later down the lines of "I'm sorry you feel this way". She is well known for not apologising no matter how wrong she is. It is all round just sad. I haven't responded to her message, and now need to think what to do. If I cut her off I lose my dad, my children lose both grandparents, and today I am wracked with guilt at calling her out on her actions, literally sitting shaking with anxiety. It kills me that after 20 years away she still has this effect on me.

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Anonanonanonagain · 07/04/2026 18:04

If you have one abusive parent and the other enables this then you have two abusive parents. I am very sorry you are dealing with this, maybe go and check out the Stately homes threads where you will get invaluable information on narc mothers and dysfunctional families in general. x

Lactoorsupp · 07/04/2026 18:14

I wouldn’t give a hoot

She destroyed your childhood with enduring consequences
your spineless father spectated

Lactoorsupp · 07/04/2026 18:15

my children lose both grandparents,

You don’t have your children around this couple do you?

chatgptmeup · 07/04/2026 18:24

Lactoorsupp · 07/04/2026 18:15

my children lose both grandparents,

You don’t have your children around this couple do you?

Once weekly phone call, and one visit every 6-12 months. I feel like this is a manageable amount of time. I would never in a million years leave my children alone with them, and if they make any comments in front of my children, I immediately call them out on it. It is exhausting though, and I am constantly on edge when my mum is present.

Their visit this time spanned almost a month, which was far too long for me to be able to manage. I'm mostly upset as I moved away from home, and I have a long haul trip to visit them booked for this year. It is a very big expense and commitment. I'm half hoping that it gets cancelled due to fuel costs or something and the decision is made for me.

I know this probably makes me sound like a lunatic, but I know they can be good people, and my whole childhood wasn't bad, but things I took away from it and were formative to my being were. I think I desparately want her to prove me wrong and show some love/affection, which will legitemately never happen, so I put myself our there and get hurt, and she has absolutely no idea what she is doing to me because she lives in her own world.

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Genuinelypla · 07/04/2026 18:29

Grey rock only (don't discuss health, money, or jobs anymore)

keep a distance (don't invite them to stay!)

live happily ever after 💐

DarmokAndJaladAtTenagra · 07/04/2026 18:29

It doesn't do your kids any good to see their mother treated badly and wider family members allowing this. It's a matter of time until she makes hurtful comments to/about them. They're not an asset to your DC, they're a liability to protect them from.

Your dad could choose to protect you, he didn't then. He doesn't now.
When you next speak to him in your mother's absence you could tell him you want a relationship with him independent from her. Then the ball is in his court.

DarmokAndJaladAtTenagra · 07/04/2026 18:30

chatgptmeup · 07/04/2026 18:24

Once weekly phone call, and one visit every 6-12 months. I feel like this is a manageable amount of time. I would never in a million years leave my children alone with them, and if they make any comments in front of my children, I immediately call them out on it. It is exhausting though, and I am constantly on edge when my mum is present.

Their visit this time spanned almost a month, which was far too long for me to be able to manage. I'm mostly upset as I moved away from home, and I have a long haul trip to visit them booked for this year. It is a very big expense and commitment. I'm half hoping that it gets cancelled due to fuel costs or something and the decision is made for me.

I know this probably makes me sound like a lunatic, but I know they can be good people, and my whole childhood wasn't bad, but things I took away from it and were formative to my being were. I think I desparately want her to prove me wrong and show some love/affection, which will legitemately never happen, so I put myself our there and get hurt, and she has absolutely no idea what she is doing to me because she lives in her own world.

Cancel the trip. Get more therapy

Everybodys · 07/04/2026 18:33

DarmokAndJaladAtTenagra · 07/04/2026 18:30

Cancel the trip. Get more therapy

Agree. Of course you shouldn't go. It'll be completely awful.

chatgptmeup · 07/04/2026 18:36

Genuinelypla · 07/04/2026 18:29

Grey rock only (don't discuss health, money, or jobs anymore)

keep a distance (don't invite them to stay!)

live happily ever after 💐

Thanks, I think this might be the best way forward. I spoke to my DH last night, who was so supportive. He said if we visit them we do not stay in their house, and boundaries get set well in advance. He doesn't want them staying with us going forward. I hate that my conversations with them are surface level on the phone, but you are right, that is how I have coped to date. They know the bare minimum about our lives. In person that is harder to maintain, which is why this was so horrible to deal with for weeks of a visit.

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Lactoorsupp · 07/04/2026 18:40

chatgptmeup · 07/04/2026 18:24

Once weekly phone call, and one visit every 6-12 months. I feel like this is a manageable amount of time. I would never in a million years leave my children alone with them, and if they make any comments in front of my children, I immediately call them out on it. It is exhausting though, and I am constantly on edge when my mum is present.

Their visit this time spanned almost a month, which was far too long for me to be able to manage. I'm mostly upset as I moved away from home, and I have a long haul trip to visit them booked for this year. It is a very big expense and commitment. I'm half hoping that it gets cancelled due to fuel costs or something and the decision is made for me.

I know this probably makes me sound like a lunatic, but I know they can be good people, and my whole childhood wasn't bad, but things I took away from it and were formative to my being were. I think I desparately want her to prove me wrong and show some love/affection, which will legitemately never happen, so I put myself our there and get hurt, and she has absolutely no idea what she is doing to me because she lives in her own world.

So once or twice visits a year and they’re never alone with them … your kids won’t give a fig if they never see them again.

Lactoorsupp · 07/04/2026 18:41

Your husband needs to step the hell up. You had an abusive childhood and understandably can’t confront your abusive parents. He needs to advocate for you. Hard

Macaroni46 · 07/04/2026 18:44

Sorry OP but your dad is equally culpable; he stood back and allowed your mother to abuse you. I’d be cutting contact with both of them.

BMW6 · 07/04/2026 18:49

I agree with PP - you have 2 awful parents.

Never ever have them in your home again and keep the relationship confined to superficial phone contact in short infrequent contacts.

Your father has made his choice for his own selfish reasons.

HangrySeal · 07/04/2026 18:49

chatgptmeup · 07/04/2026 17:53

I have a narcissistic mum, part of me wonders if she is mentally beginning to mentally decline (in her 70s). Both myself and my sister had eating disorders and other issues by the time we left home. We didn't want for anything growing up, but mentally my mum was a piece of work. On paper it sounds obvious, go no contact. If I do that though, I cut off my dad, who I love dearly, but has no backbone, and somehow tolerates/likes her. My parents are joined at the hip, if I am lucky, I get my dad alone on a call once every 6 months. She is always right there.

In my 20s, I moved far away from home, went to therapy, mentally got stronger, battled my ED, and for the most part am now ok. I did very well for myself at work (very high up in my field), have a great DH, lovely DC, and the best dog I could have hoped for. My parents came to visit us recently, and it wasn't great for anyone. My mum clearly hates that I am successful. I know deep down it comes from her own insecurities, but anytime my dad brought up my career successes, she likened my job to a ponzi scheme/bringing the world down, and asked several times if I was worried that I would be arrested one day (which as truly bonkers). For background, I work in a heavily regulated financial sector and am squeaky clean, definitely do not do anything illegal, and our company would never do anything wrong, I literally help set that tone from the top. She constantly brought up the fact that she was shocked that I answered emails and calls out of hours, that my children went to school and after school care. Constant comments were made of "well do you think it is fair your husband has to bath the children because you are doing x?", "how is he able to cope with the dinners?". She talked about my sibling constantly, apparently the sun shines out of his arse and always has. He is in my opinion a deadbeat dad who disappeared for years from his children, and didn't give his ex-wife a penny as he decided just not to work for years. He relies on my parents financially, therefore he talks to my mum, and she controlls him.

There was a fallout on the last day of her visit when she chose do to other things than come to family dinner and see my children (and hadn't seen them that day in general). After I told them why I was upset, she refused to aplogise, then tried to gaslight my dad into guilt tripping me into moving on. I finally received a half hearted apology a full day later down the lines of "I'm sorry you feel this way". She is well known for not apologising no matter how wrong she is. It is all round just sad. I haven't responded to her message, and now need to think what to do. If I cut her off I lose my dad, my children lose both grandparents, and today I am wracked with guilt at calling her out on her actions, literally sitting shaking with anxiety. It kills me that after 20 years away she still has this effect on me.

Op, as far as your kids losing their grandparents, my dad had a very manipulative, domineering mother also. I wish he had cut her off!

Lactoorsupp · 07/04/2026 18:50

I read your description of your father and I feel nauseous. He is insidiously abusive. Making out he empathises with you when actually he is nothing more than a voyeur to child abuse

ExtraOnions · 07/04/2026 18:58

I have one like this … the only thing to do is to emotionally disconnect from them. Mum tries that nonesense with me she just gets “oh ok” or “thanks for letting me know” .. zero emotion.

You can choose to stop letting this affect you, it’s very freeing. You can’t change them, don’t try it, they will never be who you want.

thepariscrimefiles · 07/04/2026 19:00

I agree with other posters. You have two abusive parents as your dad enables your mum every time at your expense. He obviously does it for an easy life but it makes him a really shit dad.

You get absolutely no pleasure from phone calls and visits and I'm sure you get anxious every time you need to speak to her or seek her.

If you go no contact, you won't have the constant anxiety about what horrible things your mum will say and do next.

She prefers your waster of a brother. Leave them all to it and concentrate on your own lovely family.

chatgptmeup · 07/04/2026 19:00

HangrySeal · 07/04/2026 18:49

Op, as far as your kids losing their grandparents, my dad had a very manipulative, domineering mother also. I wish he had cut her off!

That is helpful to know. My older child was acting out a lot when they were visiting. I thought she was picking up vibes from me.

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chatgptmeup · 07/04/2026 19:09

Ok so as an update I just got another text from my dad as they board their plane home which verbatim says "it would be good if you contact mum sometime soon and don't let this stagnate. If nothing else it would make my life easier". I guess thank you for the messages above. He has always been "my person" as i'm by far my mum's least favourite child. All my favourite childhood memories are me and him by ourselves doing things. I'm actually really emotional now reading these comments and putting his ask in context. Well... I know how I will never parent my children, that is the blessing coming out of this.

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YerMotherWasAHamster · 07/04/2026 19:18

Better your children are protected from having these grandparents.

You cant make your dad's life easier at the expense of your children. And thats exactly what would eventually happen.

The poster above nailed it when they said an enabler for a parent is also an abuser. Your dad has chucked you under how many buses your whole life to make his easier?

Lactoorsupp · 07/04/2026 19:36

it would be good if you contact mum sometime soon and don't let this stagnate. If nothing else it would make my life easier

oh fuck off you spineless prat you spectated an entire childhood of abuse. Just fuck off

HangrySeal · 07/04/2026 19:45

chatgptmeup · 07/04/2026 19:00

That is helpful to know. My older child was acting out a lot when they were visiting. I thought she was picking up vibes from me.

Have faith in your desire to give your children a good life. No grandparents at all are better than bad ones. Courage!

Winederlust · 08/04/2026 08:08

Your dad has made his bed. Going NC with your mum doesn't have to mean NC with him...unless he chooses that. He's shown you from that text he's chosen your mum, so I wouldn't even look back to be honest.

tpornottp · 08/04/2026 08:31

Lactoorsupp · 07/04/2026 19:36

it would be good if you contact mum sometime soon and don't let this stagnate. If nothing else it would make my life easier

oh fuck off you spineless prat you spectated an entire childhood of abuse. Just fuck off

I'd guess that his meek, weak, emotionally absent and avoidant personality may have turned your mother into the monster she became.

tpornottp · 08/04/2026 08:34

Or maybe she was a monster to begin with but having a husband with no backbone will have made her worse. Horrible pair.

OP you and your family sound lovely. With the geographical distance between you and your parents, it will be easy to reduce contact to a minimum. Never stay in their house and never let them stay again in yours.