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Aibu to hate Michael Gove?

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merrycola · 06/04/2026 21:18

AIBU to hate Michael Gove for single-handedly creating the “overdiagnosis” crisis he’s now nowhere near enough to answer for?
Because let’s connect the dots.
He made the curriculum harder, narrower, and more rigid. Ofsted built an inspection framework around it that treats children like data points. And now — years later — we’ve got CAMHS referrals through the roof, school avoidance at record levels, exclusion rates climbing, teachers quitting in droves, and a growing media narrative that too many children are being diagnosed and parents are being pushy.
But nobody seems to want to say the obvious thing: we didn’t suddenly produce a generation of broken children. We built a system that broke the environment around them and then pathologised the ones who couldn’t cope.
The strategies that actually help — clear instructions, sensory breaks, mutual respect, not shouting — aren’t special needs strategies. They’re just good teaching. But there’s no time for good teaching when you’re trying to force a curriculum designed by a man who apparently thinks childhood is an inefficiency to be optimised.

And here’s what really gets me. Every education secretary since could have undone it. But none of them have, because reversing course would mean admitting the whole framework was wrong and that it’s been harming children for over a decade. So instead we get headlines about overdiagnosis and parents wanting labels for benefits, while the man who lit the match is off doing whatever Michael Gove does now.

We didn’t get an overdiagnosis crisis. We got a system that can’t admit it failed, so it diagnosed the kids instead.

OP posts:
Marasme · 07/04/2026 08:44

CaragianettE · 06/04/2026 22:16

I voted YABU because you clearly wrote your post using AI. PLEASE cut that shit out. I absolutely loathe how it writes. Horrible ‘strike a pose’ dramatic sentences, and it makes every single issue sound the same.

THANK YOU
i was hoping i was not the only one appalled, especially by that last "strike a pose" AI sentence.

SootysCaravan · 07/04/2026 08:50

I will be the first to admit I was completely naive to as to why the education system changed so drastically. I only noticed the struggle my child and his cohort faced and the additional pressure it put on parents to get them ‘up to speed’.
Thank you for such an eye opening thread, OP

ThatGoldLeader · 07/04/2026 08:51

pastabest · 06/04/2026 21:55

What actually happened to him. I vaguely remember there being some odd pictures in the news where it appeared he was off his noggin on something and he retired/got divorced. Then he kind of disappeared?

I've kept expecting there to be some unearthed scandal at some point but it all just fizzled away.

He's now editor of The Spectator, they got rid of the previous editor Fraser Nelson to make way for him which is a shame as he was far superior!

Mischance · 07/04/2026 08:53

......... you don’t have to enjoy every subject you just need to know what you need to know.

And there's the rub - what exactly is it that you need to know?

Contrived concepts like fronted adverbials or real useful scientific facts and life-enhancing musical skills?

DeftGoldHedgehog · 07/04/2026 08:54

Having DD1 who is nearly 21 and DD2 who is 17, I really noticed the difference in tech: between two different schools, sure, but also in a few short years.

DD1: homework done in exercise books. Carefully prescribed homework regime that all teachers stuck to (they had learned lessons from setting too much in the past).

DD2: At least five different apps were used to do or manage homework. An absolute shit ton of homework was set. And then some was still done on paper (invariably something DD2 had left in her locker). I had to email several teachers and even the school's IT staff for stuff that just did not work (as a very IT literate person who uses this day to day and we had up to date tech at home - we live in an area where for a good number of people this will very much not be the case). Quite often it would log DD2 out and then you are relying on a 11 year old with ADHD to remember passwords. Plus you are forcing kids onto the very devices that distract them. It totally relied on parents to have good IT security and systems to protect their kids from the harms we know so much more about a few years later. I am by no means a Luddite, but could people not see that this was an issue? And unless you had a printer, their timetables were only available on their phones. DD2 got a detention for checking her timetable in the corridor. Schools are Kafkaesque.

Piggywaspushed · 07/04/2026 08:55

One of the other big problems is the profession itself which pretty much lapped up Gibb/ Gove/ league tables/ accountability/ data data data shit and became a 'how high shall I jump?' profession. I have really noticed this in the last 15 years. New teachers think teaching is testing and exams and can't see alternatives (they were taught that way, after all). They haven't even heard of Gove.

Teaching used to be relatively creative and autonomous. No longer true.

DeftGoldHedgehog · 07/04/2026 08:56

Piggywaspushed · 07/04/2026 08:55

One of the other big problems is the profession itself which pretty much lapped up Gibb/ Gove/ league tables/ accountability/ data data data shit and became a 'how high shall I jump?' profession. I have really noticed this in the last 15 years. New teachers think teaching is testing and exams and can't see alternatives (they were taught that way, after all). They haven't even heard of Gove.

Teaching used to be relatively creative and autonomous. No longer true.

I've even read about teachers being given scripts to teach to which they must not deviate from. What a mess.

RupertTheBlackCat · 07/04/2026 08:56

malware · 07/04/2026 00:29

Most of us are just much, much less articulate than this. Here's the evidence to me. (I am an AI product manager, so I spend a lot of time looking at this stuff):

  1. Use of weapons-grade punctuation - most tell-tale here is the em-dash. But also the Oxford comma and the colon. I'd be surprised if you find another post using the colon like that here. It's just a bit sophisticated for everyday writing.
  2. That teacher-like, I-am-the-expert-walking-you-though-this ("let’s connect the dots.") which makes it sound like a TED talk.
  3. The sheer variety of sentence length and connectors
  4. Light use of simile/metaphor is unusual (although having said that I now see I have used a metaphor)
  5. The layering of desciptions/adjectives. Little groups of 3. I mean, again, who does that?
  6. It is all very cerebral, an intellectual argument. Each point so carefully crafted and simply explained. So persuasive. 8)The emotions are so very refined, restrained and appropriate that it's not quite real. Most people run a bit messier than this, I think
  7. Use of final, beautifully succinct 2 sentence summarisation of whole of the argument is a real tell.
  8. But most of all, it is a very persuasive & well-crafted piece of writing, beyond the abilities of most of us but I think that is at odds with a somewhat simplistic premise.

I am far, far from being a Michael Gove fan. Fronted adverbials bring me out in hives. But there is no consideration here given to many other factors that could influence outcomes for our children: social media, Covid, changing social and family patterns, lack of effective sanction on children, growing gaps between rich and poor. If you could write this well, I think your argument would be more nuanced.

Oh gosh.... I don't know what to think about your (very clever and apt) appraisal of AI-produced posts, as that's exactly how I write! (Love an Oxford comma!) Do I need to completely change my style to avoid being thought a bot?

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 07/04/2026 08:57

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 07/04/2026 08:33

What decades did your education fall in out of interest? As I said up thread mine was the eighties and nineties, and my education was APPALLING. I have learned more through walking my kids through their education journey, than I did through my own. My mother on the other hand was educated in a bog standard south-east London school(s) in the 1950s and 60s and her SPAG is excellent.

Edited

I’m very ancient, so 50s/60s. And funnily enough I still remember the lesson when we were first taught about apostrophes - I was probably 7.

Teacher asked who knew where to put one.
Little Miss Know-it-all’s hand shot straight up: ‘We were playing with the boys.’ (So in ‘boys’).

‘NO!’ came the reply. ‘That's exactly where we DON’T put it!’

Piggywaspushed · 07/04/2026 08:57

DeftGoldHedgehog · 07/04/2026 08:56

I've even read about teachers being given scripts to teach to which they must not deviate from. What a mess.

Yup - with in house ppt style.

And AI planned lessons, natch!

HappyKatieA · 07/04/2026 08:58

Almost 30 years in education (teaching / leadership) and I wholeheartedly agree. He broke the system and we’ve all been paying for it since - students, teachers, families and society.
I will never forgive what he did.

Piggywaspushed · 07/04/2026 08:58

RupertTheBlackCat · 07/04/2026 08:56

Oh gosh.... I don't know what to think about your (very clever and apt) appraisal of AI-produced posts, as that's exactly how I write! (Love an Oxford comma!) Do I need to completely change my style to avoid being thought a bot?

Me too. Not those big long dashes, though - I don't know how to do them, and can't be bothered to learn.

rougegourge84 · 07/04/2026 08:58

I don’t disagree overall from a society point of view and would support curriculum change for that reason, but equally I am delighted with the level of education my children have achieved in lovely nurturing school where they still do all the subjects allegedly dropped universally like dt, music and art.

grafittiartist · 07/04/2026 08:59

I would like to add- he was responsible for actioning Pupil Premium funding ( I think it was a Lib Dem proposal).
That is an excellent legacy.

Gloops462 · 07/04/2026 08:59

I have to disagree I'm afraid. All my children did well with the reformed GCSEs. My DS got a 9 in maths the first year they did 9-1. Initially struggled with English but with some tutoring he managed to get decent grades. Then he smashed his A-levels 2 years later.

All my other DC have gotten mostly 9s at GCSE with the occasional 8 or 7 and then get As or A*s at A-level. All then thrived/thriving in higher education.

HazelBite · 07/04/2026 09:01

As any aside he was a shocking Minister for Justice too, disliked by the Judiciary with absolutely no idea how the systems worked!
( Prior to retirement I worked in this field)

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 07/04/2026 09:02

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 07/04/2026 08:57

I’m very ancient, so 50s/60s. And funnily enough I still remember the lesson when we were first taught about apostrophes - I was probably 7.

Teacher asked who knew where to put one.
Little Miss Know-it-all’s hand shot straight up: ‘We were playing with the boys.’ (So in ‘boys’).

‘NO!’ came the reply. ‘That's exactly where we DON’T put it!’

I thought that might be the case. I am so grateful someone came in and reinstated some standards, even though I totally understand why teachers hate it. The foundation of knowledge my kids have now is joyful.

FizzingAda · 07/04/2026 09:02

Michael Gove is a sleekit treacherous b*** and a toilet stain on humanity.

Piggywaspushed · 07/04/2026 09:03

Because you children did well doesn't mean it works for society as a whole. Clearly they are very bright. Bright children from stable and supportive homes tend to do well under any system.

The other thing this has led to is an explosion in the tutoring industry.

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 07/04/2026 09:03

It’s not all about education though. Or one former Secretary of State. Lots of the issues are genetic.

Alittlefrustrated · 07/04/2026 09:04

Was he responsible for the online SPAG homework that my child had to do in primary?
An absolute abomination. My, very able, child still needed to be reminded about capital letters, but that pile of xxxxx was his homework 🤬

FunnyOrca · 07/04/2026 09:06

I don’t disagree with you at all. The LA I used to teach in also dealt with the double whammy of closing specialist provision so children who would have been high need in a mainstream setting lost the resources to actual higher needs children and became the forgotten middle, which exacerbated their struggles. All at the same time Gove tinkered with the curriculum.

That being said, having taught the NC in England and then moving to teach in Scotland I am absolutely horrified at how low the standards are here. The writing in P6 (ages 9,10,11) is similar to my old year 2s (ages 6, 7).

And the pupils getting the worst of it are those from impoverished homes. The Scottish education system is really entrenching inequality.

Piggywaspushed · 07/04/2026 09:06

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 07/04/2026 09:03

It’s not all about education though. Or one former Secretary of State. Lots of the issues are genetic.

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converseandjeans · 07/04/2026 09:09

YANBU Gove & Cummings have ruined the education system.

I think the issue is that the curriculum is much harder with more content to cover. That might actually be good for very academic children. But there’s nothing for those who are more interested in practical, more vocational subjects. DS chose Sport BTEC & has just done lots of computer lessons completing his coursework & classroom lessons covering content for the written paper. Surely there should be more actual physical sport on offer? I think DT is mostly written tasks rather than making a product. There appear to be no GCSEs where they can do anything that involves moving around.

Lots of GCSE content used to be AS level topics & so GCSE is harder to access for less able students. I don’t think you can make GCSE so difficult without providing a more accessible pathway.

https://www.smf.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/We-used-to-have-it-all-April-2025-1.pdf

I think fining people for taking holidays has created a very toxic environment. Parents blame teachers & it’s nothing to do with them. That started in 2013.

I believe there is a direct correlation between Gove & school refusal & a decline in mental wellbeing.

Stnam · 07/04/2026 09:14

There are about 10,000 civil servants working in the department of education. Presumably they also hated working in schools or they would still be in them. Maybe they could apply their imagination to thinking up ways to make them happier places that teachers and students would enjoy.