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researching the Easter story through Roman eyes. Could the Romans have seen Jesus as a usurper ?

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ApriloNeil2026 · 03/04/2026 19:18

I'm currently researching the historical context of the Easter story and first-century Judea under Roman rule as part of looking at Holy Week, the crucifixion and resurrection I've been exploring how the Roman authorities might have perceived Jesus at the time and could the Romans have seen Jesus as a potential usurper

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FFSToEverythingSince2020 · 03/04/2026 19:23

Best place to start for this kind of research would be the Wikipedia page for Pontius Pilate. There will be links to first-hand Roman sources like Tacitus.

toooldtocaremuch · 03/04/2026 19:25

Just watched King of Kings on TV this afternoon (I love a biblical epic) and this angle was sort of explored and yes, they could have seen him as destabilising.

BuffetTheDietSlayer · 03/04/2026 19:25

Yes, the romans saw Jesus as a potential political threat. This is not news.

Dontlletmedownbruce · 03/04/2026 19:30

Isn't that the whole point of the arrest and crucifiction? The Romans mocked Jesus calling him King of the Jews. I'm not too up on scriptures but I don't think he ever referred to himself as King but someone did, presumably his followers. It was an occupied territory and here is someone that the locals love that has been given unofficial leadership status. He needed to be dealt with to avoid a revolt.

ApriloNeil2026 · 03/04/2026 19:34

BuffetTheDietSlayer · 03/04/2026 19:25

Yes, the romans saw Jesus as a potential political threat. This is not news.

true

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ApriloNeil2026 · 03/04/2026 19:34

FFSToEverythingSince2020 · 03/04/2026 19:23

Best place to start for this kind of research would be the Wikipedia page for Pontius Pilate. There will be links to first-hand Roman sources like Tacitus.

thank you

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Darlingstarlings · 03/04/2026 19:49

I thought Pontius Pilate ordered Jesus crucifixion because he thought there would be a riot, throughout the Gospel of John he questioned why Jesus should be killed, he also offered to free a prisoner, and Barrabas was chosen. He even had Jesus scourged in the hopes that this would calm the crowd. It was only when the chief priest said "We have no king but Caesar" that Pilate handed Jesus over to be crucified.

mrsCtheRed · 03/04/2026 19:50

toooldtocaremuch · 03/04/2026 19:25

Just watched King of Kings on TV this afternoon (I love a biblical epic) and this angle was sort of explored and yes, they could have seen him as destabilising.

Me too. I'm a total atheist, but just love the grandeur of those old Hollywood biblical films.
The Greatest Story Ever Told, tomorrow 🍿 🤩

QuornPlaster · 03/04/2026 20:38

Post Alexander, the region was fought over & bounced between the Seleucid’s and Assyrian dynasties. Judea / Samaria became almost a buffer zone between these 2 superpowers. As their (Seleucid & Assyrian’s) power waned the Roman Empire stepped in to administer the region.

The Jews were always a difficult people to rule - they were an anomaly in the region, being monotheists, dietary laws etc…. The Roman’s gave greater religious freedoms to the Jews than they previously had under previous rulers.

This is usually referred to as the inter testamental period - stretch it from 200 bce to 100 ace for this conversation. & during this period we have Hellenism - the take up of the Greco-Roman religion/law/phillosopy. The age old problem of modernism within a religious community.

Jews did not want to be assimilated and ruled by Hellenism. There were plenty of revolutionary Jews ie Maccabean revolt which ended in about 160 bce in Masada. A last hilltop stand against the Romans.

Under Pompey in 60 bce and Titus in 70 ce Roman soldiers entered the Jerusalem Temple. Pompey entered the Holy of Holiest itself and defied the Temple. Titus caused the first Temple to be destroyed and the Jewish War. Gentiles entering the inner Temple. Wearing insignias of Caesar - a self declared living god was a defilement.

So although nothing was written about Jesus per se - there are early writings by Tacitus (& others) about early Christians. So going back to the reference of King of the Jews - an insult by the Romans to both Jesus and the Jews. They (Jews) would never refer to a Jewish leader as ‘King’ - that would be a title given to G_d. Nagid not malek - prince not king.

The Romans would have seen Jesus as a splinter group of Judaism like the Essenes.

An interesting period in time.

QuornPlaster · 03/04/2026 20:41

Sorry - 2nd temple was destroyed <tut>. The first had long gone!

RhaenysRocks · 03/04/2026 21:01

The gospel all suggest that PP wasn't really interested in Jesus..only at the insistence of the Sanhedrin did he approve the execution. It was a tense time in Jerusalem with Passover and its themes of freedom from oppression. Nervous rulers, overnight illegal trials...interesting stuff for sure.

itsadlibitum · 03/04/2026 21:03

One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom
fighter and all that….

LordEmsworth · 03/04/2026 21:05

As opposed to what?!

noblegiraffe · 03/04/2026 21:08

Darlingstarlings · 03/04/2026 19:49

I thought Pontius Pilate ordered Jesus crucifixion because he thought there would be a riot, throughout the Gospel of John he questioned why Jesus should be killed, he also offered to free a prisoner, and Barrabas was chosen. He even had Jesus scourged in the hopes that this would calm the crowd. It was only when the chief priest said "We have no king but Caesar" that Pilate handed Jesus over to be crucified.

If you read that with a critical hat on you can easily see it as a made-up story to transfer responsibility for the death of Jesus from the Romans to the Jews.
The Jews even say 'his blood be upon us and on our children'. Does that sound likely to have happened while they cried for the release of a brigand over someone who had done nothing wrong?

This, however, would be a quite convenient scenario for a fledgling Christian church who didn't want to create trouble with the Romans.

It's really interesting to read the Gospels and see the bits that were inserted into the stories for later convenience.

LoserWinner · 03/04/2026 21:16

What level of research is this? If just general interest, online resources are probably fine. If not, you probably need to consult the theology reference section of an academic library. I can recommend a couple of well researched books if you’re interested - DM me.

Chickadiddy · 03/04/2026 21:22

INRI

Iesu Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum
That's how they mocked him on the cross apparently.

ApriloNeil2026 · 03/04/2026 21:33

itsadlibitum · 03/04/2026 21:03

One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom
fighter and all that….

true but in this case id say jesus was the terrorist

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ApriloNeil2026 · 03/04/2026 21:50

noblegiraffe · 03/04/2026 21:08

If you read that with a critical hat on you can easily see it as a made-up story to transfer responsibility for the death of Jesus from the Romans to the Jews.
The Jews even say 'his blood be upon us and on our children'. Does that sound likely to have happened while they cried for the release of a brigand over someone who had done nothing wrong?

This, however, would be a quite convenient scenario for a fledgling Christian church who didn't want to create trouble with the Romans.

It's really interesting to read the Gospels and see the bits that were inserted into the stories for later convenience.

strictly speaking if they would riot etc then in theory what choice did the romans etc ?

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LordEmsworth · 03/04/2026 21:52

Jesus was a terrorist? Your research is... well, not very weĺl-researched.

Did the Romans see Jesus as a potential usurper - yes of course they did.

Was this because he was violent and carried out acts of terror - even the Apocrypha forget to mention that bit so maybe not 🙄

Your argument is specious, unoriginal and makes no sense. The Bible says, the Romans considered Jesus a threat so ensured he was removed. Jesus was a threat becuase he used logic fo argue his point, and did not fight back... not because he carried out vilent atracks or de,amded that others do as well

HappyintheHills · 03/04/2026 21:57

ApriloNeil2026 · 03/04/2026 21:33

true but in this case id say jesus was the terrorist

Based on what evidence?

HotRootsAndNaughtyToots · 03/04/2026 21:58

ApriloNeil2026 · 03/04/2026 21:33

true but in this case id say jesus was the terrorist

Goodness(!) What acts of terror did he commit?

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 03/04/2026 22:03

@LordEmsworth while I agree that Jesus as described in the Bible didn't fit any reasonable description of terrorism, I'm fascinated by your opinion that what he is claimed to have said was based on logic. Can you give some examples?

GarlicFind · 03/04/2026 22:13

LordEmsworth · 03/04/2026 21:52

Jesus was a terrorist? Your research is... well, not very weĺl-researched.

Did the Romans see Jesus as a potential usurper - yes of course they did.

Was this because he was violent and carried out acts of terror - even the Apocrypha forget to mention that bit so maybe not 🙄

Your argument is specious, unoriginal and makes no sense. The Bible says, the Romans considered Jesus a threat so ensured he was removed. Jesus was a threat becuase he used logic fo argue his point, and did not fight back... not because he carried out vilent atracks or de,amded that others do as well

The bible says the Sanhedrin considered Jesus a threat, not the Romans. The arguments you refer to were with the Jewish tribunal, not Pilate.

Pilate does not appear to have been a nice person, but the bible says clearly that he found Jesus not guilty of the Sanhedrin's charges (claiming kingship of the Jews).

ApriloNeil2026 · 03/04/2026 22:16

Crowd dynamics and predictions: Jesus drew large, enthusiastic crowds (e.g., feeding miracles, triumphal entry). He predicted the Temple's destruction ("not one stone will be left," Mark 13:2), which could sound like incitement or threat. During a tense Passover, any popular agitator risked sparking riots.

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LordEmsworth · 03/04/2026 22:18

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 03/04/2026 22:03

@LordEmsworth while I agree that Jesus as described in the Bible didn't fit any reasonable description of terrorism, I'm fascinated by your opinion that what he is claimed to have said was based on logic. Can you give some examples?

The one I was thinking of was, render unto Caesar what is Caesar's...