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AIBU to be fed up with walkers trespassing on our land?

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Pricelessadvice · 03/04/2026 10:13

We have a family farm that, unfortunately, has a footpath that runs through it.
The footpath turns and goes into some woods and off our property but many people ignore the turn and just carry on around our land. This is mostly dog walkers. They then let their dog crap on our fields and just leave it. We take a crop off the land- some years a hay crop, some years beans, others wheat- but people just don’t seem to care.
I am always polite when I see someone trespassing. I ask them if they know they have left the footpath and I point them back in the direction of it. 9 people out of 10 get really arsey about it. I get all the excuses in the book- “it’s just fields/I always walk here/I can do what I want/it’s just grass/other people do it”
Ive had off lead dogs chasing my liveries horses (who have permission to ride the headlands), sheep being worried, the list goes on.

There are plenty of signs telling people where the footpath is and where it isn’t, but they get ignored.

When I try to explain to people that they wouldn’t like it if I walked my dogs in their garden every day and let them poo everywhere, they just argue that it’s not the same coz “these are fields”
SIGH
The Covid year was a bloody nightmare with people wandering everywhere.
When did people get so entitled? AIBU to think that people just think they can do whatever the hell they want nowadays?

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GrannyGoggles · 05/04/2026 11:41

@SuzyFandango We have paid for a bin, and its instillation, at a cost of several hundred pounds. The PCC pay the council to empty it, at a cost of several hundred pounds p.a. The council will not be roaming across fields to empty bins, they have to be in quite specific places.
It quite clearly states dog poo only. Regularly get drinks cans in it. And within weeks of installation it had its lid ripped off.
We still get full poo bags left on the road side, chucked into hedge bottoms, and pet peeve, dangling from trees. I pick them up and bin them.
We try to be welcoming, but please, people - take your dog shit home, along with your cans, sweet wrappers, spliff ends and used condoms

CatrionaBalfour · 05/04/2026 12:19

In the Peak District there are wonderful walks around Monsal Dale. At the entrance to one of the footpaths that goes past a farm is a tree. Regularly hung on this tree are bags of dog excrement.
Foul in every sense of the word.

HelenaWilson · 05/04/2026 15:19

Speaking of wild campers, as somebody was:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg40x60zvd0o

The mountain rescue people sound thoroughly pissed off. It's not as if there wasn't plenty of warning about staying off the higher ground.

'Suitable advice' should mean 'a proper bollocking' but I doubt if it did. Someone would probably complain if they even gave the idiots a sideways look.

Priest's Hole at Dove Crag in the Lake District. It is a mossy, black rock face that has broken, grassy rocky ground leading up to it.

Teen wild campers rescued from crag in 'worst' of Storm Dave

Mountain rescue say the rescue in Storm Dave put "everyone's lives in danger unnecessarily".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg40x60zvd0o

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 05/04/2026 15:26

Sell the land witht the footpath on. Problem solved.

CruCru · 05/04/2026 15:44

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 05/04/2026 15:26

Sell the land witht the footpath on. Problem solved.

I expect the land with the footpath on is a chunk of the working farm.

HelenaWilson · 05/04/2026 15:50

Problem solved.

No, problem transferred to the next owner. (Assuming it was at all possible or practical to do this.)

GrannyGoggles · 05/04/2026 16:50

@TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum whst a v good idea. I so wish I’d come up with that. Will action it tomorrow.

or not…,

Pricelessadvice · 05/04/2026 16:51

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 05/04/2026 15:26

Sell the land witht the footpath on. Problem solved.

Not quite, the paths run through both sides of our property and through several fields, plus past our house and garden. We would lose a massive part of our workable, income generating land.

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CruCru · 05/04/2026 16:52

I’ve just been reading about alpacas. Apparently they make great guard animals and will chase dogs who bother sheep. Plus they are nice beasts.

CoffeeCantata · 05/04/2026 17:06

DdraigGoch · Today 09:24
SpaceRaccoon · 03/04/2026 15:05
A vanlifer with a youtube channel was doing the NC500 and gleefully parked his van right in a farmer's field, accessed through a gate he opened, shouting about "right to roam". Twat.
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Solution to idiots like that is to close the gate and stick a padlock on it. It's a long walk to somewhere he can buy some bolt croppers...

Totally!

My dad was a farmer, and there was a bridle-way running through his farm. Although it was clearly stated at both ends that motor traffic was prohibited, you'd always get the stupid off-roaders who'd try to drive through anyway, churning things up and breaking drains as they did so.

Some of them made it, but it was very muddy and wet in parts and the number of times there'd be a knock at the door (often late at night) with some idiot asking to be towed out....ugh. It's a memory of my childhood. My dad was such a nice man that he always helped these stupid people. I'd have told them to call the AA.

CoffeeCantata · 05/04/2026 17:11

Scaryscarytimes · Yesterday 17:16
Vast swathes of countryside being in the private ownership of a small number of extremely rich families for centuries is what leads to revolution, or in this case to the Right to Roam. In Scotland there are still very strong feelings about the clearances.
It isn't right, or sustainable, for the huge majority of the population to be forced to live in tiny spaces in the cities, with no right to access the countryside, because a few mega rich people have bought the countryside up.
How would you feel in England if there were no public footpaths? No national parks? Nowhere to go to see grass and trees, other than your local town park? Nowhere to exercise other than your local gym? Well, those public footpaths and national parks didn't come about by accident. The government created them. Access to the countryside is a public good, and sometimes a public good takes precedence over the right of a billionaire to boot people off his land because it's his.

But there are footpaths and there IS access to the countryside.

What are you on about?

In other countries - not so much, you'll find.

What OP is talking about is using these PROWs responsibly. They're not municipal parks - they're often someone's livelihood with livestock or crops which need to be treated with respect.

The people who fought for our rights of way knew this - they were well-informed. So many people now are ignorant about the countryside and have no idea how to behave there.

krustykittens · 05/04/2026 17:37

@Bloodyboiling I was thinking of the problems islanders face thanks to right to roam when I saw a PP claim it works fine in Scotland but I couldn't find anything online to back up what friends have told me. A crofter I got speaking to once at the Royal Highland told me not only were his animals worried and killed, shit and litter left all over his land, he once found wild campers hacking down his fencing to use the posts for a fire and a family who decided that camping in his barn was wild camping and their right under right to roam!

Tbh, people seem to bleat "right to roam!" whenever challenged, like they are warding off vampires with a crucifix. There are lots of exemptions to the legislation they don't seem to be aware of, the general public make a lot of assumptions. Try walking on MOD land or accessing spaces you are charged entry for. Also, grass is a crop, people! Fields where hay is being grown are not for walking in! There is also a section 6 to the legislation that says if someone develops their land for their own recreational use and public access interferes with that, they have a right to stop access. And no one knows the countryside code or thinks they are exempt.

Basically, nowhere in the UK do rights of access trump a landowners right to use or enjoy their property for appropriate use. Right to roam only works if it has no or positive effect for walkers AND landowners. It's a social contract as much as a legal one and in recent years, it is breaking down. All the examples I listed of what has personally happened to my property and animals I know are only the tip of the iceberg. No one can watch their animals or land 24/7. Often, people only know that someone has caused a problem when they come across sick, injured or dead animals, littering or damage. The offender is long gone, so they act with impunity while we mend the damage and pay the bills. As I said previously, the only way I can keep my ponies safe in the summer is to bring them in off their field during the day, behaviour has become so bad since Covid, so right to roam actually stops me from using my land for its intended purpose. I used to think education was the answer, but I have found people on this site to be shockingly entitled and belligerent when it comes to being told not to feed or handle other people's animals, even when we explain why, so that won't solve the problem either. If some numpty who has no idea how to handle ponies gets hurt or a child is seriously injured because their idiot parent has climbed a locked gate from the path I have fenced off for their access to place them on a ponies back without my permission, I could be sued and I can't afford that. Feeding animals by hand, even if it is just grass you have pulled up in their field, changes behaviour and can put a handler and other animals at risk. I have talked to local farmers who have had so much trouble with dog walkers that now all sheep come into lambing sheds for months on end, which isn't the healthiest way for them to live and costs more in antibiotics etc, but they feel like it is the better option than dog attacks and children chasing and picking up lambs while their doting parents film them so the can make memories.

No system is perfect and right to roam is only tolerable for us because we don't have the sheer volume of people that access the countryside in England, so fewer arseholes. And I have to stress, most of the people I meet are lovely and it is great to share with them, but the damage and distress caused by the minority is awful. There is no way I would vote for right to roam if I lived in England, life would be hell. What the government needs to do is to protect and extend the access network but that would cost them money. Making access a free for all puts the cost on landowners.

krustykittens · 05/04/2026 17:45

CruCru · 05/04/2026 16:52

I’ve just been reading about alpacas. Apparently they make great guard animals and will chase dogs who bother sheep. Plus they are nice beasts.

I want a pack of hyenas but I have been told this is not legal. sulks

SpaceRaccoon · 05/04/2026 18:06

CruCru · 05/04/2026 16:52

I’ve just been reading about alpacas. Apparently they make great guard animals and will chase dogs who bother sheep. Plus they are nice beasts.

Unfortunately not even the poor bloody alpacas are spared human stupidity and entitlement:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4v1wp73d0o

A brown alpaca in a green field.

Four alpacas dead after Wisbech St Mary Rottweiler attack

Two other alpacas are treated by vets for facial injuries as two dogs are seized, police say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4v1wp73d0o

CatrionaBalfour · 05/04/2026 18:28

😢

HelenaWilson · 05/04/2026 18:31

What the government needs to do is to protect and extend the access network but that would cost them money.

'The government' - in the form of Natural England - is doing this. There is now a path which extends all the way round the coast of England - 2,689 miles of it. Plus all the existing paths such as the Thames Path, the North Downs Way, the South Downs Way, the Pennine Way, the Hadrian's Wall Path, etc etc.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0dxexdd8xo

King Charles III stands in front of cliffs as he walks the King Charles III England Coast Path at Seven Sisters National Nature Reserve.

King opens world's longest coastal path around England

The King Charles coastal path will allow walkers right of access to the entire coast for the first time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0dxexdd8xo

CruCru · 05/04/2026 19:11

SpaceRaccoon · 05/04/2026 18:06

Unfortunately not even the poor bloody alpacas are spared human stupidity and entitlement:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4v1wp73d0o

Damn. That is just so unpleasant.

krustykittens · 05/04/2026 20:16

HelenaWilson · 05/04/2026 18:31

What the government needs to do is to protect and extend the access network but that would cost them money.

'The government' - in the form of Natural England - is doing this. There is now a path which extends all the way round the coast of England - 2,689 miles of it. Plus all the existing paths such as the Thames Path, the North Downs Way, the South Downs Way, the Pennine Way, the Hadrian's Wall Path, etc etc.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0dxexdd8xo

That is terrific but there are lots of small access paths that have become overgrown and forgotten and it takes time and resources to record them and maintain them but they are important too. I also think it is shocking that landowners can block access in England and if people want to get their rights back and stay within the law, they are faced with a long and costly civil case. Far too much of that seems to go on. Personally, I think councils should have the power to free up access that has been illegally blocked and bill the landowner for the work and a hefty fine. If people do not want the public walking on their land, don't buy a property with a ROW!

BinseyPoplars · 05/04/2026 21:02

SpaceRaccoon · 05/04/2026 18:06

Unfortunately not even the poor bloody alpacas are spared human stupidity and entitlement:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4v1wp73d0o

Oh how awful. Bloody dog owners ONCE AGAIN

nOlives · 05/04/2026 22:48

A donkey would take out that rottie.

Summerbay23 · 05/04/2026 22:56

I like to think I’m a very respectful walker. The only time I would venture away from the public footpath is..

if it wasn’t adequately signposted and I was genuinely confused about which way to go.

if there were cattle in the field that were genuinely overly interested and a concern to my safety (I have a dog and a farming upbringing and was never concerned about cattle until I had a dog and experienced cattle surrounding us.) In this case I would find an alternative route for my own safety.

I would always pick up dog poo and treat land with absolute respect. I don’t see huge numbers of out of control walkers where I live but maybe I’m lucky. On the whole land owners are lovely too but it’s hard to completely control a 10 mile walk where you don’t know exactly what hazards or unclear signs you may encounter.

tellmesomethingtrue · 05/04/2026 22:56

Why should you own fields and fields of land when some people only have a postage stamp garden, if that? The earth belongs to all of us.

AgentPidge · 05/04/2026 22:58

tellmesomethingtrue · 05/04/2026 22:56

Why should you own fields and fields of land when some people only have a postage stamp garden, if that? The earth belongs to all of us.

Some people grow food. Your food!

nOlives · 05/04/2026 23:02

AgentPidge · 05/04/2026 22:58

Some people grow food. Your food!

^ This. Surely every adult must know this.

WidecombeHill · 05/04/2026 23:34

I live on the edge of a Devon village that has a lot of visitors from Easter to October. It's beautiful and I understand why people love to walk down our lane with or without dogs.
Across the lane we have an area of grass, a wildflower bank and an orchard. It's very obviously mown and tended, with rhododendrons and azaleas, spring bulbs and fruit trees along with a row of granite staddle stones (mushrooms). People treat it like it's just there for their entertainment. They have their kids climbing on the straddles for photos. They pick flowers and wander up into the orchard. They drive up onto the banks, churning and breaking them down rather than reverse 20m to a passing place. And almost every day someone allows their dog to crap on the grass. They have dogs on extendable leads that basically mean the dog goes where it wants and they do get arsey if asked to keep them off the garden, or not to drive over the grass slope. It's not fenced but we lined the most vulnerable areas with large rocks- today I found my wildflower bank wrecked by car tracks despite being nearly vertical, and a slew of crushed primroses, grape hyacinths and narcissi on the lane, where a vehicle had torn them out of the bank. People move the rocks out of the way so they can still drive on the raised verges.
It's not our livelihood and we don't have OP's worries for livestock or food crops. But I think it's the same attitude that the countryside exists for their recreation and those who live here are characters in their holiday theme park. I'm so tired of visitors letting their dogs crap anywhere and not picking up up- as though the normal rules are suspended when you're on holiday. We all understand that visitors are important to the rural economy and want them to feel welcome- but that's honestly not always easy.
@Pricelessadvice you are not being unreasonable. Sadly you are probably too reasonable and need to be a bit more direct about threatening consequences if dogs worry livestock or horses are injured.

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