To think the nursery my daughter goes to would not deprive her of water?!

[babblington]

I love my daughter's (just turned 4) nursery, i think it is fabulous and she adores it, always happy to go in, talks very highly of it when she is not there.
Today they went on a trip to a park in coaches - 70 something children, adults for every 4 children, superbly organised, seamless, as i have grown to expect.
I pick her up and her lips are bleeding, she has an enormous hissy fit on leaving - quite unlike her. Over tired, i think. Turns out they brought juice for all the children to drink. My daughter doesn't like juice, only water or milk - did they have an alternative? NO - so she didn't have anything to drink for 3 AND A HALF HOURS despite running around like a wild thing at the park. How could they not have water?! Surely this constitutes cruelty of some kind?! I am horrified and flabbergasted.
Sorry this is very long. Am trying to work out how to contain my fury when i go to talk to them tomorrow.

At least for a short trip of 3 hours anyway!

I'm not going anywhere blazing, i never said i was!
But I do think the majority of you lot need some basic education on the importance of regularly drinking water...
2point4 - my point was that there was nothing else on offer. No water, no milk, no nothing. I'm very sure she did know who had the drinks and I know she asked for water and was refused because they didn't have any- IMHO juice is not a good substitute for water.
When she goes to school in September there will be other options available to her - and water will ALWAYS be available.
Anyway, I'm leaving this thread now.

bye then.

Not everyone is your dd or you. 70 children is a lot to cater for on an outing and tons to bring. I suspect the nursery just put a carton of juice with straw into everyone's lunch pack as most children will drink juice.

The word 'deprived' and 'hissy fit' and any implication of dehydration is massive overreaction on your part. If your dd was so thirsty (and my dd is 4 as well), she WILL drink. This is not a toddler.

Now that you know the nursery does not offer water, next time, you can put a drink in her bag and better still, go along on the trip (my nursery always asks parents to go along to help with the ratios) - that way you can police and cater to your dd's needs to your heart's content. Easy.

did they know that after she was refused water she still didn't drink the juice? perhaps they just thought she'd took it away and drank it?

According to the National standards, water has to be freely available at all times and it is something Ofsted are very hot on, checking that children do have free access to it. ( I know it is fact, I am a c/m)

My DD too, would not have drunk juice, she never has and still won't aged 22 YEARS, not months!

I too, loathe juice, just the thought of a luke warm carton of nasty acidic juice makes my stomach turn.

Water should have been offered first, and infact none of my minded children would drink juice in preference to water.

IME a child will always give in and drink water if thirsty, but not always the other way round.

I am more concerned about the bleeding lips.

Where was this trip to, the Sahara?

It surely take a bit more than 3.5 hours without a drink to cause bleeding lips.

My dd is 4 and would rather have water or milk every time. She is a bright 4 but having a conversation with her about the importance of making herself understood would go right over her head. She also is honest to a fault including when finding out who is to blame for something she will openly put her hand up to it.
I actually never thought anything of the bleeding lips thing as if I went a few hours in the heat without a drink my lips become dry and cracked so do dd's so after 3 1/2 hours running about in the heat I would be the same I feel dry very very quickly especially in the warm weather.

i would expect dry and cracked but not bleeding.

Sorry, but am just chuckling away to myself here. Bleeding lips from dehydration after 3.5 hours without a drink - isn't bleeding lips about the third stage of dehydration and only about one step down from coma. Were they having an outing to a very large oven perhaps? Or a quick trip to earth's core maybe? If the poor little thing dehydrates that badly that quickly, perhaps she should be on a portable drip.

I think the mentions of milk on here are a bit unfeasible really for an outing of 70 children. I do think there is a case to be made that water should have been available - but I think it is the full-on hyperbole employed by the OP that has set off a lot of the opposite reaction. You say that you are not going to go in all guns blazing, but I think people just assumed you were because you came on here all guns blazing.

Babblington - you said in your OP that you were 'horrified', 'flabbergasted', that you thought it 'constituted cruelty', your DD had a 'hissy fit' and you asked how to 'contain your fury', so forgive us for thinking you were going in all guns blazing.

Rather than suggesting we need basic education on the importance of drinking water, maybe you could give your daughter some about the importance of drinking anything? My DS understands and he is younger than your DD, so I am sure you could manage.

Clearly she is near death after a few hours without water, so maybe a chat is in order.

Of course they should have had water. Juice can be more dehydrating, especially if it's full of sugar.

Tho having read the rest of the thread you were perhaps a little hyperbolic with the lip bleed stuff

Seriously, my DS goes for more than 3 or 4 hours without a drink all the time.

I fact, yesterday, for example, we went out for lunch, so he had a drink between 12-1, and then had nothing else again to eat or drink until tea time at around 5.30. This is normal. He is fine.

I think you are being massively over dramatic, and totally PFB.

has nobody noticed that babblington has gotten fed up and left?