To not understand why people recommend Pregnant Then Screwed?

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I believe I am experiencing unfair treatment at work due to pregnancy related sickness so called PTS as people are always recommending it but they were useless?! A very short phone call with generic, vague advice. Is it just me? Same with ACAS - all very vague. There seems to be no support.

You should ask your manager to refer you to Occupational Health. Youre pregnant therefore youre protected under the Equality Act 2010. The organisation will be given recommendations for reasonable adjustments for you. Youre covered under this legislation until your baby turns 1 year old. Good luck.

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🤣🤣🤣Good luck expecting a Trades Union to support an actual woman these days. As if. They only care about the men in frocks these days.

You keep posting this nonsense despite being told countless times that it’s rubbish and that several major unions are headed up by women. It’s almost as if you don’t want women to avail themselves of the support union membership offers.

It's not just nonsense, it's dangerous nonsense.

I really hope it doesn't put women off joining unions, and they can see it's just a ridiculous 'learned MN response'.

Not really. I was interested to understand the unions’ stance and a cursory google suggests it’s an uncritical TWAW one, which I find utterly bewildering in any credible organisation which gave the tiniest of tosses about equality. That’s pretty much a massive FU to the 51% of the population who are, you know, the kind of woman that doesn’t require a tagline to persuade people of their sex. (I refuse to use the ridiculous and superfluous term “cis”).

Margaret Thatcher was a woman, for goodness sake. Women are not above being captured by dangerous ideology and trade unions seem to be a case in point.

Some of those women believe that TWAW and as a result that union is captured and does not stand up for women's rights. Have you not seen that Sandie Peggie is suing her union for failing to support her? It clearly happens in some cases.

I would suggest that research is done and a union which isn't captured is joined. Which is better advice than blindly joining a union which wont necessarily support you when needed.

I suppose it depends what you want to be supported on. And whether you’re transphobic or not.

HR are not there for you.
They are to support the organisation.

Transphobic? Or standing up for women's rights?

No woman gets to give other women's rights to single sex spaces away, even if they're happy to share spaces with men.

Oh, and FYI...nobody gives a flying fuck about being called transphobic. It ceased to have any impact as an insult / accusation bloody ages ago.

And sometimes are wrong themselves in the advice they give. As stated, some HR professionals aren't very good!

It wasn’t intended as an insult. It’s a descriptor. I’ve been standing up for women’s rights all my adult life without discriminating against other groups of people. And I’m not about to start now.

I'd say you're failing at that if you think men can be women and should share women's single sex spaces. That's not feminism.

Men are men. Telling them that isn't discriminatory. You can be perfectly non-discriminatory against transpeople, and also believe that they don't change sex.

Discriminatory is denying them the rights that everybody else has. Nobody has the right to access the single sex spaces of the opposite sex and it's disingenuous to suggest they do.

'If an organisation is run by a woman, how can it be sexist?'

Oh maaaate.....

It’s not your interpretation of feminism @NoWordForFluffy. I don’t subscribe to your version.

If your version of feminism includes men, then it's not feminism. The clue is in the name!

Yeah - I mean, I could have done that.

I didn’t say it did. I said it doesn’t discriminate against other groups of people. I’ve been a feminist for over 50 years, don’t try and tell me what it is.

Sandie Peggie and the Darlington nurses, for instance, wanted to be supported in their lawful rights not to be forced to undress in front of a man.

The whole point of rights is that you have them even if you are not ideologically pure enough to meet the gentry left's standards. Not wanting to undress in front of a man isn't 'transphobic' but even if it were, those women should have been able to rely on the support of their union to regain their lawful rights. Unions shouldn't be deciding who to support based on the union's luxury ideology idea of The Right Side Of History, but based on the law. Catch me paying an organisation to protect my rights and then finding out when I need then that they can decide I've not been a nice enough little girl and refuse to help me.

Andrea Dworkin said in Right Wing Women something like: if you believe in women's rights that means rights for all women. Including women you don't like, including women you don't agree with. The unions don't live up to that at all.

And you don't try to tell me that protecting women's rights to single sex spaces is transphobic (a pejorative term however you allege that you intended to use it). Because it isn't, and also isn't discriminatory. If you think that transwomen should be allowed in women's single sex spaces, sports, refuges etc you aren't a feminist, regardless of your protestations.

Maybe you'd like to clarify how refusing men entry to women's spaces is transphobic and discriminatory. Because it's not.

Someone who claimed to be the founder of pregnant then screwed was recently on mumsnet touting for business for her new service

And you don't try to tell me that protecting women's rights to single sex spaces is transphobic

I didn’t. Extraordinary how upset you’re getting at being described as exactly what you are, incidentally.

Would you like to explain that further? What exactly am I? With your reasons.

ETA: don't flatter yourself that I'm upset. I'm trying to explain something to you which you don't seem able to understand! It's rather frustrating, but I'm not upset!

I thought you didn’t give a flying fuck. 🤷‍♀️

Go on. Spit it out. Tell me exactly what I am. Are you too scared? Don't beat around the bush, it's not your usual style.

I don't give a fuck what you think of me, but don't be shy in spelling it out for all to see.