AIBU to think it was never that complicated to define a woman.

[Abisequer]

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) has ruled that eligibility for the women’s category of Olympic events will now be limited to biological females, starting from the LA 2028 Games.

AIBU to think the category ‘women’ was never complicated and the obfuscation by certain governing bodies has compromised fairness in sport for women.

Examples of obfuscation include claims that genital checking would be needed or that biological men with lowered testosterone would be on an even playing field with biological women.

AIBU to think it was never complicated to define a woman and a cheek swab is all it takes.

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From all I’ve heard, Stonewall started all this for financial reasons. Their original raison d’etre was gays, but since most people aren’t anti-gay any more, they needed a new source of income, i.e. persuading big business, banks, etc. that they needed to pay ££££ for training in trans/anti trans issues. And so many of them paid up and complied, for fear of being seen as prehistorically prejudiced if they didn’t.

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I wonder when more trans people themself will realise what immense damage Stonewall has done to them?

Well, exactly

Brilliant.

The answers he uses to why he is a better swimmer that all those other women have been used by trans women. Crazy that biological men were ever allowed to CHEAT real women out of their medals, wins, success.

The world went mad for trans ideology for too long. Gradually common sense is returning. Those poor children sold the lie of being able to change your biology and become something they aren't. Mass child abuse. Shame on those that pushed it.

If you knew the first thing about it, you'd know "intersex" is a misleading, outdated and offensive term and that everyone with a DSD is male or female. And that in developed countries, no man is going to reach 18 still thinking he's a woman; he will have been seen when he failed to start periods and a diagnosis made.

Honestly, the "but intersex zillions of adult men are walking around the western world not knowing they're men" thing is embarrassing by this point. It's like rushing to tell us that the Berlin Wall came down, except that actually happened and is true.

Yes I've heard that too

And they did it very well. How many other campaign groups had household name companies paying for the privilege of promoting their cause aka recognition as a Stonewall champion ?! They played an absolute blinder, until the wheels came off

‘Intersex’ is now considered the term used by activists rather than the medical / science terminology, isn’t it? Isn’t the only groups using ‘Intersex’ the campaign groups and not the rest of the people with these conditions and their medical and support teams?

And anyway, even if we did suddenly find zillions of athletes are unexpectedly actually male and not female (we won't, but let's pretend that we will), so what? All that means is that women's sport has been ruined and compromised even more severely than it already has been and it's good we finally know about it and can correct it so women and girls get what passes for equal opportunity (since there are already far fewer opportunities and far less prize money in women's sport).

I'm so done with "but what if it doesn't make men happy?" being the be all and end all and the supposed end of the conversation.

It will come. Wait until they realise they were sold a lie. It's tragic. There are children out there, told that because they play with certain toys, want to wear dresses etc etc that they are in the wrong body. Captured parents might not want to see it, their autistic daughters unsure of who they are, saying they must be boys then.

I personally know several from secondary school who did the whole opposite gender thing, they thankfully, realised it was a phase and loved the attention it gave and realised they could never really be, or reallywanted to be. Others went too far in, and are struggling with mental health, because, as they get older it's more apparent to them they aren't what they thought they were, what they were affirmed as. They loved the whole Tic Toc inclusivity of being seen as special (everyone is), the whole trendiness of it. Confusing for them. Feels like they were part of an experiment. Used by adult males who would be women.

That exact argument was used by Caster Semenya as to why he was a faster runner.

I think there is also some using by attention seeking mothers going on. I'm certain that my own narcissistic mother would have had me down the Tavistock quicker than a rat up a drainpipe for the attention she would have got, had it existed when I started climbing trees and insisting on wearing my brothers' jeans.

The mother of the pair who started Mermaids colluded completely with her transphobic husband, who turned their effeminate boy child into a girl because he wasn't prepared to have a son who played with "girls'" toys.

Thank you for that. I remember when it first came out. He nailed the arguments we see being used to support the boys and men in female sports events.

And even as a child, when he was believed to be a girl, he was always being checked out at school because he outperformed the girls so much, the teachers thought he couldn't be one, and they were right.

It's really sad, there have always been abusive parents, and saying your son is a girl because hes not masculine enough, or because he might be gay is definitely another form of abuse.

Yes, it's just not plausible.

I can possibly buy that of the millions of people in the world who do still live very marginally and have no medical care access, there might be some who don't know they're intersex. Or at least who know something's up but can't get anyone qualified to tell them what. But these people are not getting anywhere near the Olympics, because that simply doesn't happen without at least some access to resources.

To the extent that athletes such as Semenya deserve any sympathy, it's the way in which the younger of them were exploited by adults. Which is true of him in 2009, as barely more than a kid. Not sure how far someone who's just blown out 18 candles on a cake can meaningfully consent to what he was getting into there. Rather less so by the time he was a rich man in his mid 20s knowing full fucking well what he was doing.

It's a tricky one, because there are definitely a cohort of parents like this who were influenced by the attention/social kudos points.

However there are also parents who were misled by medical professionals and told their child would kill themselves if they did not transition. They were put in a terrible position and I feel horrendously sorry for these families.

It's such an utter clusterfuck - and we are only at the beginning of working through the consequences of it all.

I agree. Some just wanted to do the best for their children and believed the lies, others, as seen on some TV programmes and online used their children's 'trans' for attention.

Some 'trans' children were very much used. I don't believe in the term 'trans child' they are just children being influenced by those around them and by social media. Social contagion very much a thing. There were so many 'trans' a few years back, nothing surprising with all the pushing and it being 'in' to be gender anything, but what you were.
The trend is on the wane, thank goodness. This might be a future abuse scandal to be investigated.

The level of child abuse that has gone on through the last 10 years has been astounding.

The emperor was walking around stark naked and people got sacked for pointing it out.

I have an acquaintance who is a child psychologist with government contracts for children in care. They were allowed to explore with a girl child why they might identify as a lion or an eagle in a world where they felt out of control, but the moment the girl identified as male nothing was allowed but affirmation.

I think/hope we will look back on the last decade as a period of madness regarding gender nonconforming children and unhappy young adults.

It’s not complicated when men want sex, or unpaid labour, or a surrogate is needed, or a carer is needed, or someone needs to be paid less for doing the same job etc etc.

It’s only complicated when it comes to the “nice” things, like wearing dresses and winning medals.

It's been tragic for the poor children, life changing, it shows how easy it is to convince some of an ideology, some people can be convinced of anything.

Lets face it if you believe males can 'become' females, just by saying so, you might believe anything.

Well quite.

Astonishing that so few people seemed to have recognised this

They all know fine well what a woman is when it suits them.

This isn't all about men.

The biggest scandals are possibly the autistic girls trying to turn into men.

There are several distinct sets of trans people.

Those who always felt like they were the opposite sex from very young.

Those who were reaching puberty and realised they did not want to be the adult version of their sex.

Autogynophile men, who we used to recognise as fetishists and call "cross dressers", who are sexually stimulated by the idea of themself being a woman.

The last lot really muddy the waters for the rest!

Caster semenya isnt trans? Most people with DSD arent trans, and are usually raised socially as the sex at birth, it isnt their fault that its an error only later found via puberty or other medical issues. Im sad for them it must be upsetting being raised as a specific sex and then having to unlearn everything you thought you knew about yourself. I dont think their participation should come at the expense of women but it is more complicated than binary : MALE /FEMALE.