To think Labour is not the party of the working people.

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I voted for Labour as I believed their election pledge of being a party for the working people but genuinely I can’t think of one thing, since they’ve been in power, that they’ve done to help me (a single working mother on around £42k a year)! I get zero help from UC, these mystical breakfast clubs don’t exist, people aren’t employing people due to their ridiculous NI implications, they aren’t building affordable housing, energy prices are insanely high and all they talk about is grants (which won’t affect me as I live in a flat)! Genuinely I can’t think of one thing that they’ve done to help working people in the middle. Why are Labour sticking their heads in the sand? Why do they refuse to help the squeezed working class? They are stopping this economy from thriving - as
nobody can afford to spend anything extra (treats, holidays, meals out etc etc)!

Using private school hockey pitches? not sure she has any choice where local clubs can book pitches surely. My boys have played football on private school pitches as that is where the other team played. No choice there

Only that was the only way to defeat Reform in my constituency. Hopefully there are still enough Tory voters here to make it unnecessary. Incidentally my bloke is a lifelong Tory voter and he’s currently also going to have to hold his nose, he detests what his party has become.

Who is the prospective Reform voter you’re referring to? Why are you certain how the pp is voting.

That’s certainly the way the evidence from the councils they now run points.

Eh?

I have a fair idea of how Nuthatch might vote in a certain scenario (i.e that she'd vote Reform to keep Labour out) in the same way that Nuthatch has a fair idea of how @BIossomtoes might vote in a certain scenario (see Nuthatch's post of 12:01) Because both have posted about it on MN in the past!

So do I as I share a thread with her and I think your assumptions are off. Plus what she said made sense. Reform can benefit from being in opposition in Wales.

I'm a conservative party member, and helping out with my local party. I'll be canvassing this weekend.
Not interested in Reform, despite your desperate attempts to label me and others as 'Reformites'.

I haven't mentioned your party membership or voting intentions for Wales and Westminster. Are you still a Plaid C member who intends to vote to keep Labour in power in Westminster, whilst also voting to remove Labour from power in Wales?

I thought Starmer would just be new labour. Pro market and all that. Pro business as well.

What personal attack? I haven't attacked anyone!

Your 12.05 post doesn’t need the first line. It just creates bad feeling and isn’t correct.

It isn't a personal attack. If you think it is, report to mnhq and let them decide.

Wowswrs, a lot to catch up! I didn’t expect the thread to still be so busy.

I find most people on benefits don’t even bother to vote as no matter who gets in they still get their money.

People on 80k or 90k claiming childcare... why? if you cannot afford kids on that salary, don't fucking have them

Do you mean the free hours? Why shouldn’t someone on 80k have discounted childcare? child benefit used to be universal & lots of other countries have subsidised childcare. Who do you think should have dc?

Brexit must have been really powerful as most of Europe is in the same boat.

They are also paying for people to use the private sector, how much is this costing us.

You still don’t get it. I don’t really know how to make it more digestible….

It’s not about what I want, there needs to be a honest discussion with the electorate.

Do they want public services as they are? Better ones?
Do they want to pay more tax etc?
Do they want to reduce benefits?

I personally don’t want to pay any more tax. I want to see improved services & I have already mentioned areas where I would cut.

What do you think should happen?