Really don't like dogs being in virtually every cafe now

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I know another one, and yes this is quite trivial really.

Last week we went to a gorgeous new cafe, sat down, and within a minute I realised a large dog had appeared and was licking dds outstretched hand (she was delighted of course) then we had to get up and go and wash before eating, only to see the dog licking her hands again. Argh. Then it turned around and was wagging it's tail into me (I'm unfortunately allergic to fur and would rather not have to have fur on my clothes) - we werent even that close to the other table. It's just so annoying and I know I can ask it's owners to keep it away from us but seems a bit cruel to the dog and I jolly well shouldn't have to, they should be keeping an eye themselves without me having to have an awkward chat. Manners are meant to make everyone feel comfortable and not force people into seeming unreasonable because they don't want to get involved with the animal.

Then this afternoon, different cafe, on my own this time and got the fright of my life when all of a sudden a dog snarled and snapped at a child a few tables away, who of course screamed and was very distressed, someone could have had a heart attack!

I am going to have to be more mindful of places which don't have dogs in future I think.

And I imagine I am probably going to be told I am being unreasonable. I just want a coffee in peace without slobbering or snarling dogs

More ridiculous comparisons of dogs to children 🙄🙄

Cafes are for the purpose the owner wants them to be. If they want it to be welcoming to dogs then that is up to them.

That is not what comparing means 🙄

It is also a totally ridiculous given it is fictional and will never happen.

Again, cafes were not built for humans; they were built to generate a profit for their owners and shareholders. They do that by providing a service to their target demographic, i.e, whoever they believe will generate them the most profit, which at the moment is dog owners.

Those calling dog oners entitled are massively missing the point. How much more entitled can you get than demanding a privately owned, for-profit business exclude their most profitable customers to suit your specific needs?

So it was like they never existed, and we would have no memory of that.

Seeing how long dogs have been around, and also their relationship with humans which has gone back tens of thousands of years, then humankind might look very different.

As a thought experiment, it is an interesting one. But the people on here wanting that just want dogs to vanish in a bloody cloud and see their owners get upset.
How sad to think that way.

It's a non issue. People have lived with dogs for thousands of years. It has always been and will always be.

Dogs aided our evolution; that is how they themselves evolved from wolves into dogs. We used the ones who were happy to spend time with us to help us hunt. We later used them to help us farm, pull heavy loads, and protect our settlements.

Indeed. What would humankind look like if dogs had never existed?

Of course dogs should be well behaved in public and most responsible owners know that. No one is defending irresponsible owners who don’t clean up after their dogs. But policing those whose dogs are well trained in places that actively welcome them isn’t fair to them or the café owners. One bad experience doesn’t mean it’s the norm.

Crates are meant for short-term training or safe travel, not leaving a dog confined for hours on end. Aside from the welfare side, if there’s a fire, burglary, or emergency the dog can’t escape.

I’m so sorry your dog went through that. He’s clearly very lucky to have such a caring and responsible owner now. And you really don’t owe anyone an explanation; there are many reasons people don’t leave dogs home alone. A colleague’s dog was beaten during a burglary and another was stolen, so sadly these things do happen. Wishing you both much calmer, happier days ahead. 💐

I would go so far as to say the owners of untrained dogs are doing nothing wrong if they visit a business that chooses to welcome their untrained dog. It's not a business decision I would make, nor is it one I can see working, but it is one that business owners have the right to make should they so choose to.

At the end of the day, cafes are there to generate a profit. They are not a charity or publicly owned entity, and they can attempt to generate that profit in any way they see fit as long as they adhere to the law.

Demanding they limit that profit to bend to the needs of a few is beyond entitled.

Thanks. He such a loving lad, considering all he’s been through. Sweeter than a lot of MNers!

Why aren't privately owned businesses permitted to allow smoking? This let's people vote with their feet

That sounds really difficult, and I’m sorry your daughter has to deal with that. But it’s not really about “who wins.” It’s also not about allergies or phobias trumping mental health or invisible disabilities, or vice versa. Different people have different needs, which is why some cafés choose to be dog-friendly and others don’t. Dog owners who go to those places aren’t doing it to exclude anyone, they’re simply going somewhere they and their dogs are welcomed, and often supporting local cafés that rely on that custom to stay open.

It always has me scratching my head when dog owners are called selfish and entitled for taking their dog to places that they are allowed.

Smoking is totally different to dogs and you know that.

A smoking ban in England, making it illegal to smoke in all enclosed workplaces in England, came into force in July 2007 as a consequence of the Health Act 2006.

Can’t compare dogs to children, can compare them to cigarettes? Not dog haters trying to change the rules to suit themselves again.

I like dogs. We dog sit for several friends. But I don’t want dogs in cafes and restaurants. I vote with my feet including sadly my favourite cafe that has started letting dogs in and a young lady in her twenties came in with a Rottweiler (a nine month old puppy I heard her telling others) that she has no control over and who snarled in my ten year olds face as he sat drinking his hot chocolate. No, just no.

I don’t like dogs. I wanted to take my kid to a cat cafe but it was extortionate and you had to book well in advance. But go to any cafe and you’re tripping over dogs stinking the place up. So cafe owners are following the doggy pound eh? What if everyone brought their dogs in at once?

Then don’t go to a dog-friendly café, it’s not rocket science.

It’s the exaggerations on these threads that make me laugh the most. If you had a valid point you wouldn’t need to try and make your post sound so dramatic.

Smoking indoors has been illegal since 2007. Allowing dogs in dog-friendly cafés is totally legal. Not complicated.

That is great. Time to lobby to bring some focus to this public health issue then. The number of times I've seen a dogs water bowl being passed over the counter to be be refilled and they've continued serving without washing their hands. Given how many strict regulations there in kitchens to prevent bacterial contamination this has to breach several. It's time this is enforced.