AIBU to question why taxpayers should fund Ian Huntley’s cremation?

[PassingStranger]

Can't Ian Huntleys mother who was at his bedside and in touch with him, pay for his cremation.
Why should the tax payer pay?
He's already cost the taxpayer loads.🤔😫

Have you never heard of a pauper‘a funeral?

Of course you can’t force people to pay for other people’s funerals.

About £1500, or it was 3 years ago when my FIL died

Playing devil's advocate though, I know some cannot afford to pay for a relatives funeral and the council will pay them, but what if everyone decided they don't want to pay for their relatives funerals anymore? Surely the council wouldn't fund everyone's burial or (cremation?) What happens then?!

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Same question to you.

Playing devil's advocate though, I know some cannot afford to pay for a relatives funeral and the council will pay them, but what if everyone decided they don't want to pay for their relatives funerals anymore? Surely the council wouldn't fund everyone's burial or (cremation?) What happens then?!

I have no issue with the authorities paying when the family can't afford it, (and of course I have heard of a pauper's funeral - horrible turn of phrase!) But what if someone REFUSES to pay? (Even if they can afford it?) Is the council meant to pay for everyone's then?

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Why didn’t you suggest his daughter pay, OP?

Crematoria are cleaned after each use regardless.

They would have to I suppose but that's not going to happen as most people have someone who will pay voluntarily.

When my exhusband was cremated the service was held at 9 am with only 4 people there. It was the cheapest option possible that still allowed his adult children to attend. My sons arrived very early and sat in the car waiting for their father's hearse to arrive. There were 3 funerals before their fathers, each followed the same pattern; a hearse arrived with 2 funeral people, the deceased was carried in on a trolley, the funeral directors left immediately, apparently a prayer was said over the coffin and it immediately went through to the back.The next hearse was waiting outside ready to go. No relatives, no service just a civilised processing of human remains. He will probably have that; no fuss, no press, no service. I belive he set fire to the girl's bodies and dumped them in a ditch. Many people might feel we should do the same to him. He was a monster. We must be better than that.

Absolutely

Christ almighty there are some vile attitudes towards his mother on this thread.

Have some fucking compassion for tje poor woman.

If the deceased person has funds then the cost of their cremation and the other jobs done by the funeral directors have to come out of their estate, and the executor can be legally required to enable that to happen, but if there is no estate as all, then there is no legal way to force relatives to pay up.

Do you understand that to debate something means putting forward actual reasoning?

Maybe you could put your pitchfork down for a moment and engage and consider questions others have asked?

How can they force somone to pay,
Im assuming most people would want to pay for a much loved parent etc
But what if you had been estranged for a long time why should it be your responsibility to pay for a relative you hadent seen for say 30 years?
And that body would still hsve to be disposed off in the interest of public health.

Some posters on this thread would have made a good day out of public executions back in the day 🙄

Yes I guess so. Not many are going to refuse to pay for their loved ones funeral (if they can.) Some people do have it sorted already of course. (Before they die.)

If everyone started refusing though, the system would have to change a bit. They'd probably start taking it out of peoples taxes, or adding it onto the council tax! 😬

I agree!

Good point!

There’s around 35 million tax payers in the UK. A £3k funeral cost would cost each tax payer £0.0000858
His time in prison at an approximate cost of £50k per year will have cost £1150000 in total, £0.033 per tax payer. That’s a price I’m willing to pay.

OP how would that work? I know someone who has a son in prison for life, she has no contact with him, when he dies should she be made to pay?
We don’t punish the family of murderers.

There's a law which gives Local Authoritories statutory obligations regarding deaths, burials, funerals etc, including providing a very basic cremation if there are no other funds to pay for it. This is paid for out of local authority funds, the bulk of which is from the annual settlement from central government and various grants, plus also council tax, business rates etc.

The body's pile up on the street corners. No actually they put taxes up to cover it

It's good to see reason win on AIBU for a change.

Of course his remains need processing. I would never ask his mother to take responsibility for that. She is carrying that monster on her back for the rest of her life as it is. Can you imagine what her day to day life is like? I hope she's alright, that there are people around her at the moment that aren't ghouls.

Ian Huntley is testament to what happens when people let their baser instincts guide their actions. Let's not. Let's not go for his mother. Pay the bill, get rid of the stain he left on the planet and focus our energy on preventing violence against women and girls.

It’s not a funeral though in the way people know and generally want , which is why people overwhelming choose to pay.
It’s simply a basic burial only done to dispose of the body.
If no one paid the disposals would be done on a vast scale and it wouldn’t really cost what much. If anything they could generate heat from the plant, it’s just a large incinerator.

I do hope his mum doesn't seek compensation, she wasn't financially dependent on him, if there is a statutory payout shec ould give it to a charity anonymously. Maybe the funeral director and crematorium do it for free so they don't feel any association with someone, if the government do pay then the money goes to the funeral director, not his mum.

Wow, thats diabolical.

Funeral cost would have to come out of the deceased estate, its only when there is no estate that paupers funerals kick in.