AIBU to question why taxpayers should fund Ian Huntley’s cremation?

[PassingStranger]

Can't Ian Huntleys mother who was at his bedside and in touch with him, pay for his cremation.
Why should the tax payer pay?
He's already cost the taxpayer loads.🤔😫

I'm fairly sure those posters were being sarcastic.

It was probably a throw away (pun not intended) comment.
There are regulations about this sort of thing. For public health reasons, and also for the dignity of the dead.

Ian bradys cost 20k, a judge ordered the disposal.

Do you have a breakdown of the costs?

The number of people who seem to think you can dispose of human remains on the council tip is worrying.

There isnt any family apart from his mum.

Don't know how people can bear to do such awful things to other humans who've done them no harm, knowing they will be hated the rest of their life and nobody will care when they are dead.

This isn't relevant to the cost of the funeral.

You can read it online

It’s not relevant to the cost of the funeral, as you rightly state, but this statement is relevant to the thread as yet another example of the OP’s complete inability to think outside their own frame of reference or beyond their need for attention and admiration. "How can you do such awful things… knowing they will be hated for the rest of their lives and that no one will care when they are dead?

This is the OP’s frame of reference. It also explains why the OP seems to think that the large number of posts in this thread validates the claim that taxpayers shouldn’t pay for the disposal of IH’s body - as if the large number of posters pointing out how stupid the proposal is means it's a debatable question. Ah but x% voted with me, the OP! Yes, on an anonymous thread and were still not able to offer up any genuine debatable points. But it's all about likes, clicks, votes and attention whilst using other people's real and profound trauma as a prop.

I imagine everyone's Council Tax would go up.

This entire thread is a waste of time

You still haven’t said

a) who you think should foot the bill for the disposal of his remains
b) why, if you still think it should be his mother, she should be forced to do so

Agreed don't think anybody would disagree that Ian Huntley was a depraved person but arguing over how his body should be disposed of and who should pay is pointless it has to be disposed as a matter of public health and the cheapest way to do this would be a basic cremation,
He's not going to be having a big fancy funeral with loads of mourners.

I dont think anyone would disagree
Most people find brutal child murder abhorrent

Government departments and councils pay a lot less than that to the funeral directors. It’s a very basic cremation.

I'd like to add a small addendum to question b, if I may. If his mother should be allowed/forced to pay, how does that work if she wants something less minimalist and more celebratory than people seem to be envisaging OP? Not asking whether you think she would, because none of us know her anyway so that's meaningless. Only what would happen if she did.

The state paying for it means the authorities get to be in ultimate charge of doing it quietly and practically, which is in everyone's interests.

You don't think? Bloody hell.

He should go the same way as Ian Brady. Cremated in secret, then his ashes dispersed by being put in a salt urn, and dumped at sea, with no publicity and no fuss. No chance for any misguided people to honour his passing, ir for others to dedicate his grave.

No matter what he's done.
Nobody can deny his mother's right to mourn her son. If she wants his ashes to put under a rose bush then that is her right.

He is still the baby she carried, birthed, and raised full of hopes and dreams.
She wouldn't have expected him to be come a murderer or be murdered.

Nobody can say how they'd feel in that situation. It's probably a right mixed bag of emotions.

He will get the same thing as someone who doesn't have the funds to pay for a funeral....with the opportunity for family to put what they can towards it.

So he gets a cremation and that's about it. The hearse, one family car and a spray of flowers.

One of the first funerals I did was one of those. The family put a bit of extra to have a burial. But it was still a respectful thing to do for the family....they weren't responsible for him being evil. You make that choice yourself.

YABVU

He was a criminal, sentenced to prison. Taxpayers were funding his prison costs.
He was not sentenced to death
Actually if he had been, the Taxpayers would pay for the cremation in that case as well.

You are being very unreasonable to suggest selective application of the death in prison rules based on public opinion about the prisoner in question. It isn't part of the punishment.

Who paid for his cremation and ashes disposal?

That would cost more than a basic cremation.

But that's completely irrelevant to who pays or how his body is disposed.

You can still be outraged at his crimes and realise that his body needs to be disposed of safely and hygienically.

There seems to be some train of thought on here that the more fuss you are make about possibly everything to with Huntley such as making half brained suggestions of ditching him at sea or getting his mum to pay for the funeral. Or the more blood thirsty you are calling for the death penalty or violence in prison, that you are somehow more morally superior, care more about his victims or are more outraged at his crimes.

The Wells and Chapman families haven't been calling for his mum to pay for his funeral, the death penalty or condoning violence in prisons. I'm pretty sure they want the whole thing to go away as quickly and quietly as possible so they can move on with their lives.

This is from the government document regarding deaths of prisoners📧

As a guide, reasonable funeral costs may include:
• funeral director’s fees
• hearse
• simple coffin
• cremation or burial fees (this does not include the cost of the burial plot)
• faith or belief leaders’ fees (when someone from the prison’s chaplaincy team is not available or the family chose their own leader).

Reasonable costs do not include the following:
• headstone
• embalming or chapel of rest for viewing the deceased
• flowers
• transportation for mourners
• clothes for the deceased and/or mourners
• a wake, or other hospitality related to the funeral
• obituary notices
• order of service sheets