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Anger at forth coming COL crisis

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MyCheekyEagle · 09/03/2026 20:27

Of course I understand that the ME war is going to have an impact on oil prices & that will get passed onto the already struggling families; but when things stabilise again & maybe oil prices reset the greedy corporatez never pass this saving back to customers fo they. They just think as we've got used to these new higher prices we'll just keep them there. This thought has given me the rage most of today!
Just needed to vent somewhere, thanks if you listened..

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thecatsgotyourtongue · 13/03/2026 08:10

EasternStandard · 13/03/2026 07:58

High risk was relying on the FS and we got hit hard by the recession.

In any case those selling in the 90s as proof Labour get growth can’t do that now. Most can see that including business owners, who likely now regret voting for them. If they can’t turn it around they’ll likely be out at next GE and relying on Blair will be over.

Even he has talked about Starmer’s failings.

We rely even more on the FS now, the UK did ok after 2007/8, by 2010 UK growth was 2.1%.

Manufacturing contracted heavily in the 2010s.

Yes Labour are not on target at all & the Iran situation will make that worse, so yes, on current trajectory, we will have a 1 term Govt but what is also currently true is that the next Govt will not be a Tory one, thats quite remarkable.

Boomer55 · 13/03/2026 08:32

TeachMeSomething · 10/03/2026 12:16

We once had to cook liver and onions. By the time I got the cooked dish home, my dad was able to bounce the liver on the ground outside! 😀

My brown stew blocked the loo😳😳😳. My parents were not amused. 😂😂😂♥️♥️

Papyrophile · 13/03/2026 09:01

Manufacturing is struggling because of the price of our industrial energy is among the highest in the world. Thanks to a combination of Net Zero policy and other political idiocies over the last 25 years.

Clubbiscuit · 13/03/2026 10:57

Papyrophile · 13/03/2026 09:01

Manufacturing is struggling because of the price of our industrial energy is among the highest in the world. Thanks to a combination of Net Zero policy and other political idiocies over the last 25 years.

Improving under Labour.
https://www.themanufacturer.com/articles/12-months-of-labour-how-has-manufacturing-been-impacted/

12 months of Labour: how has manufacturing been impacted?

Following last year’s General Election, we have had one year of Labour which was rubber-stamped by the Industrial Strategy.

https://www.themanufacturer.com/articles/12-months-of-labour-how-has-manufacturing-been-impacted

EasternStandard · 13/03/2026 11:11

It’s mostly this driving down growth

Construction down another 2%, hospitality down another 1.8%.

ActoBelle · 13/03/2026 11:27

I paid £1.68 for diesel yesterday. It’s insane. Friend of mine who is a HV says all the community staff are threatening not to work as their mileage allowance might be getting to a point where it’s not covering costs. Why should they be out of pocket doing visits?

persephonia · 13/03/2026 14:36

cloudtreecarpet · 11/03/2026 22:10

You know as well as I do that there has been and still is exploitation of the customer base to achieve that level of profit increase.

I honestly don't get why no one else thinks it's both bizarre and outrageous to go from £72 million to £3.5 billion in less than five years. During a crisis

But there is always someone ready to explain it away like it's just normal and "that's how private businesses work".

It's a national disgrace that companies like British Gas are allowed to get away with it while also providing less than stellar customer service.
They certainly aren't alone but they stand out with their blatant profiteering.

I will admit this somewhat supports your arguments (with petrol not specifically British Gas) https://bsky.app/profile/peterstefanovic.bsky.social/post/3mgx2yj5j6s2p

Peter Stefanovic (@peterstefanovic.bsky.social)

‘The Petrol Retailers Association have withdrawn from the meeting claiming there's inflammatory language being used by Government ministers' Comments made by Ed Miliband in an interview on #BBCBreakfast have led to fuel companies pulling out of meetin...

https://bsky.app/profile/peterstefanovic.bsky.social/post/3mgx2yj5j6s2p

thecatsgotyourtongue · 13/03/2026 14:43

ActoBelle · 13/03/2026 11:27

I paid £1.68 for diesel yesterday. It’s insane. Friend of mine who is a HV says all the community staff are threatening not to work as their mileage allowance might be getting to a point where it’s not covering costs. Why should they be out of pocket doing visits?

Yes HMRC have cut mileage allowance too, NHS staff have to use their own cars for community visits and the higher HMRC rates only cover the first 3000 miles, after that, the rates do not cover costs, one broken spring on a car, after hitting a pot hole, nor can the extra costs of Business Insurance cannot be claimed against tax either.

RR can of course change all of this today.

persephonia · 13/03/2026 15:09

ActoBelle · 13/03/2026 11:27

I paid £1.68 for diesel yesterday. It’s insane. Friend of mine who is a HV says all the community staff are threatening not to work as their mileage allowance might be getting to a point where it’s not covering costs. Why should they be out of pocket doing visits?

That diesel was taken out of the ground, transported to the UK and paid for by the petrol companies well before Iran kicked of. So thats pure profiteering on their part. They paid a much much lower price for it than they are charging.
I agree that's scant comfort for the out of pocket health visitors and anyone else relying in their car for work.

cloudtreecarpet · 13/03/2026 17:05

persephonia · 13/03/2026 14:36

I will admit this somewhat supports your arguments (with petrol not specifically British Gas) https://bsky.app/profile/peterstefanovic.bsky.social/post/3mgx2yj5j6s2p

I am afraid they are all the same...

Theonewhogotthecake · 13/03/2026 17:36

ActoBelle · 13/03/2026 11:27

I paid £1.68 for diesel yesterday. It’s insane. Friend of mine who is a HV says all the community staff are threatening not to work as their mileage allowance might be getting to a point where it’s not covering costs. Why should they be out of pocket doing visits?

How much pence per mile do they get?

CantBreathe90 · 13/03/2026 20:53

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crk83e2g65no

This is heartening, I hope they follow through with it. Also like how the petrol companies had the audacity to pop a strop over it, then said they were going to boycott the meeting and ultimately didn't.

 A close up of a person's hand holding a petrol pump as they fill up their white car

Petrol retailers in row with government over 'rip off' accusations

They briefly threatened to pull out of a government meeting, accusing ministers of using "inflammatory language" over rising fuel prices.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crk83e2g65no

ActoBelle · 13/03/2026 21:33

Theonewhogotthecake · 13/03/2026 17:36

How much pence per mile do they get?

After 3500 miles it’s 21p a mile.

if your car does 40mpg and fuel is £1.68 it costs 19.1 p per mile. If you’re urban and your mpg goes down you’re losing money. If fuel goes up more you’re losing money. And even by clearing 2p a mile that won’t cover tyre and brake wear, business insurance, etc.

Lugol · 14/03/2026 12:21

I work in manufacturing. Our industry is struggling like fuck so you can post all the Labour loving links you like, I'm living the reality.

Chickenlittlesmum · 14/03/2026 13:41

ActoBelle · 13/03/2026 21:33

After 3500 miles it’s 21p a mile.

if your car does 40mpg and fuel is £1.68 it costs 19.1 p per mile. If you’re urban and your mpg goes down you’re losing money. If fuel goes up more you’re losing money. And even by clearing 2p a mile that won’t cover tyre and brake wear, business insurance, etc.

The NHS rates are here.
Up to 3,500 miles pa it's 56p a mile.

https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/mileage-allowances-faqs

When I worked for the NHS I got a lump sum and then a lower mileage allowance.

Blueharmonica · 14/03/2026 14:28

Maybe the Government will increase tax from 78% to 80% on North Sea oil producers to encourage us to produce more of our own oil rather than import, increasing taxes has worked very well on schools, growth, brain drain and unemployment so far the last 2 years.

persephonia · 14/03/2026 15:02

Blueharmonica · 14/03/2026 14:28

Maybe the Government will increase tax from 78% to 80% on North Sea oil producers to encourage us to produce more of our own oil rather than import, increasing taxes has worked very well on schools, growth, brain drain and unemployment so far the last 2 years.

Even when "we" produce our own oil, we still pay market value for it because the oil companies are private enterprises. They are not charities. They will sell the oil at the highest price available and when supply is limited elsewhere that oil price goes up. So opening up the oil fields would not make the cost of oil cheaper. They aren't large enough to bring down world prices like that.
We could nationalise the oil fields I suppose. But that would cost a lot of money and when the oil price goes down the government would be operating at a loss. Or if the government was providing the oil cheaply to British customers or would be operating a loss/not making a profit. Which would make people mad the same way the NHS makes people mad.

ThisOldThang · 14/03/2026 21:01

persephonia · 14/03/2026 15:02

Even when "we" produce our own oil, we still pay market value for it because the oil companies are private enterprises. They are not charities. They will sell the oil at the highest price available and when supply is limited elsewhere that oil price goes up. So opening up the oil fields would not make the cost of oil cheaper. They aren't large enough to bring down world prices like that.
We could nationalise the oil fields I suppose. But that would cost a lot of money and when the oil price goes down the government would be operating at a loss. Or if the government was providing the oil cheaply to British customers or would be operating a loss/not making a profit. Which would make people mad the same way the NHS makes people mad.

During the 1970's oil crisis there was a secret deal between Shell, BP and the government. We paid market rates, but we got as much as we needed. That's why there were never huge queues for petrol in Britain, but there were in Europe.

Having our own supply gives us security.

thecatsgotyourtongue · 15/03/2026 07:15

ThisOldThang · 14/03/2026 21:01

During the 1970's oil crisis there was a secret deal between Shell, BP and the government. We paid market rates, but we got as much as we needed. That's why there were never huge queues for petrol in Britain, but there were in Europe.

Having our own supply gives us security.

We had a Nationalised oil company to extract North Sea Oil in the 70s (BNOC) thats why we could ensure supply.
Prior to that, all oil gas belonged to the state, the Govt could tell private companies what to do.

Starter for 10 "Who privatised that in the 80s? giving away the money as tax cuts, mostly for the very wealthy"

Any oil/gas extracted now, belongs to private companies, sold on world markets, no security for the UK, unless we nationalised this & we do not the billions required.

chaosmaker · 16/03/2026 05:27

hairbearbunches · 10/03/2026 15:08

@FeelingAntsy In the 2010s the British govt gave up our facility to store gas, so Britain is totally dependent on other nations (could previously buy cheap and store, like other European countries do). This is 100% fact.

This. Blair's government got into the mindset of efficiency for efficiency's sake and it was carried on by those two twats Cameron and Osborne. Paring everything back is all well and good until you have a situation when you need those things you got rid of because they weren't being used. Some things should always be there, just in case. See also hospital beds, and Covid.

Successive governments for the last 50 years have absolutely shafted this country. What has been done to Britain is criminal.

Real phone lines as well as has been discovered in the storms and people depending on telecare or just basic emergency phone calls. Digital is useless and being pushed at a stupid rate in areas that have iffy signals at best.

chaosmaker · 16/03/2026 05:45

Badbadbunny · 11/03/2026 15:18

@persephonia

Almost every party parrots the same line about removing regulation and red tape to increase growth etc.

It's over 40 years since I started working as an accountant so have been very interested in business and financial aspects of Government over 4 decades. Yes, every one of them parrots off about "simplification" or "bonfire of red tape" or the ridiculous "office of tax simplification", but it's all re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titannic. Sometimes something is changed for the better, but then it gets changed again a few years later and we're back to square one.

Too many civil servants/politicians/consultants who just want to make a name for themselves (or make a shed load of cash) by changing something for the sake of it, whether needed or not, then it gets changed again a few years later when the personnel involved have changed and everyone's forgotten. There seems to be collective amnesia in the corridors of power as the see-saw changes to and fro, and things which were previously scrapped or downgraded suddenly come back into force again for no obvious reason/benefit.

Remember the "bonfire of the Quangos" - well that never happened either - just re-arranged the depts, changed the names, and we ended up with more and more powerful, less answerable ones.

On a different vein, but similar aspects, our local council have changed a road layout around 5 times, basically every several years, they change it. But the traffic management civil servants have changed each time and the new people don't seem to have any knowledge of how it used to be, and likewise the councillors change too often too, so they don't know. We've ended up with the same see-saw and currently have the road layout virtually identical to what it was 40 years ago, having been changed several times over those decades. I mentioned it to our local village councillor, who was honestly surprised when I showed him pictures of it from 40 years ago (I had photos due to taking pictures of a precession of vintage vehicles attending a rally!) - he couldn't believe how similar it was to the latest change which had cost tens of millions!! Same with our nearest city's one way system - expensive new initiatives every few years costing millions to "solve" the traffic problem which is basically reversing a few one way streets back to how they were before the system was last "solved" a decade ago.

Same with limited company accounts for Companies House filing. The laws/rules change every few years, but part of those changes is reversing the changes previously made, so some aspects are back to how they were a decade ago, some back to how they were 30 years ago etc. It's all pointless change for the sake of change. I attending a companies accounts course and the speaker (who is a company accounts author and specialist) was tearing his hair out as he explained all the changes, many of which took us back to how things were years ago, and exasperated at the length of time and cost of the consultations and reviews that led to the latest changes!

I've been saying for decades that some things need to go backwards to go forwards. A big bit of it is health and driving. I'm older, yes, but since I've been driving I'm so much less healthy. Probably doesn't help that it's so much easier to avoid others when driving but then you have to put up with other terrible drivers.... increasing cortisol production. Also bad for health.
On red tape - if you change that to safety and rights, people/unions (same thing) have spent decades campaigning for them and then business obviously wants to get rid of them as they don't want to care for their workers properly. It costs them more.

chaosmaker · 16/03/2026 05:58

BIossomtoes · 12/03/2026 08:03

I wasn’t being rude. Of course your age is relevant or you wouldn’t have “seen several Labour governments”. No Labour politician got anywhere near power until 1923. The 1970s saw changes of government so often that it’s close to impossible to attribute blame for the economic disaster that ran through the entire decade. Six of one and half dozen of the other.

Despite selling the gold reserves, Brown oversaw a decade of economic stability and rising living standards accompanied by a steady improvement in public services. If that’s wrecking the economy, please can we do it again?

But we are still paying for falling down hospitals and schools due to their stupid carrying over of the PFI and PPP financial disaster stuff proposed under the previous tory government. Bad long term planning.

thecatsgotyourtongue · 16/03/2026 06:23

chaosmaker · 16/03/2026 05:27

Real phone lines as well as has been discovered in the storms and people depending on telecare or just basic emergency phone calls. Digital is useless and being pushed at a stupid rate in areas that have iffy signals at best.

A tree takes down a copper line far easier than an overhead fibre line, as they are re-enforced.

On power, the requirement for Openreach is to provide a minimum battery back up for the Telecare user, by this time, National Grid are required to provide a Generator or fix the issue.
In long running power issues, small local BT exchanges would have run out of power back up in anycase.

The UK is running out of spares and people to maintain the old digital exchanges, some are 40 plus years old, copper lines are becoming more unreliable too
IP lines are the only way forward.

thecatsgotyourtongue · 16/03/2026 06:29

chaosmaker · 16/03/2026 05:58

But we are still paying for falling down hospitals and schools due to their stupid carrying over of the PFI and PPP financial disaster stuff proposed under the previous tory government. Bad long term planning.

Again, without PFI, how would you have paid for the Hospitals we need? Tax or Borrow?

Those Hospitals were desperately needed during Covid and by having lower borrowing than otherwise (had they been funded with borrowing) the UK had the headroom to fund all that furlough money poured down the drain (or rather into the banks and energy companies)

PFI carried on into 2015, both parties realised they had no choice, the mistake was the poorly written up contracts but many have been redrawn and the amount the NHS spends on PFI is less than 1% of its annual budget.

chaosmaker · 16/03/2026 08:17

Weren't there a load of nightingale hospitals built in covid yet they were useless with no staff. Furlough money was stolen by some companies whose employees were in work. Us taxpayers are owed loads back into the treasury from those companies.