To absolutely loathe the increase in smear campaigns against businesses because of the halal meat debate?

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Well it’s not really a debate, is it? You either don’t care, or you’re absolutely seething because your meat may or may not be halal. But irrespectively of what you think about this, AIBU to think that people ‘outing’ businesses on social media about what meat they use and encouraging hundreds of people to smear them not just in posts but reviews to tank their ratings is just crazy?

Hundreds of people commenting ‘I’ve just left them a bad review on google’ because a (British owned baked potato) business extended their trading hours to their Muslim customers? People who have never bought anything from them in their life, probably geographically will never go there. Actively trying to sabotage a business because you think you’re what - some sort of activist?

And don’t get me started on the posts where people reach out to these poor customer service reps in supermarkets to ask them if the meat they sell is halal because of this mad narrative that ‘80% of supermarket meat is halal’ - where has this nonsense come from?!?! 😂 People screenshotting and commenting about how ‘Clare from Lidl’ is avoiding the question when she probably doesn’t have a scooby and the answer probably isn’t a straight yes or no either!

Madness. Utter madness. People treating this like it’s a full time job.

Mark 7:19.

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https://www.facebook.com/share/v/18FExoqAa1/ this is also what people protest

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Absolutely. Halal or not, the meat and dairy industries inflict immense suffering on animals. Even supposedly free range is often meaningless- chickens living a miserable existence in a space the size of an a4 piece of paper. All methods of killing are horrendous, particularly the co2 method used to gas pigs. Britain is a nation of animal lovers as long as it's their pets.

The point is that any restaurant or other place that serves meat should label their products if they are halal or kosher. That way, anyone who does not want to eat halal or kosher meat, can avoid it. At the moment, that is not the case.

Issue is almost all meat is halal killed.

Only those who want to promote it need certification.

Hence why people want it labelled/banned.

Why should a Christian eat meat that's been religiously killed and prayed upon.

Bit of a generalisation, don't you think?

People are entitled to choose what they eat based on full information. As a veggie, don't you want to know if there are meat products in your food? To assume 'most people' who chooses not to eat Halal meat are racists is completely unfounded.

Eh????

You were the one who said eating the whole animal is fine. So am just asking out of curiosity?

Yes, I agree. It should be labelled so that people can make an informed choice. Non-stunned meat should be banned.

And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you" (Leviticus 11:7-8; also Deuteronomy 14:8)
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If im a donut then youre a croissant!

If pp think it’s important that halal is available due to beliefs, then the inverse is also the case people can avoid halal as it doesn’t work with their beliefs.

Both benefit from being informed by clear labelling.

Finch bakery had this too when they said their bakes are halal
absolute uproar. What it means is they use food colouring minus insects and marshmallows without gelatine but nobody bothered actually reading it

Agree. I don’t eat meat, but I wouldn’t buy halal or kosher if was labelled as such.
I buy free range chicken and organic pork and beef/lamb etc as I hope they have been properly stunned. Not a recoverable stun.
Otherwise I just buy free range pork. The label should say, then consumers can have choice. I support‘Compassion in world farming’.

Quite

Almost 90% of Halal meat is pre-stunned and thus is absolutely no different to non-Halal meat. Around 20% of meat is Halal which means around 3% of meat is non-stunned Halal.

The chances are that any non-halal specific retailer is selling pre-stunned meat as the non-stunned meat is more expensive.

Unlike Halal all Kosher meat is non-stunned, although Kosher is a much smaller proportion of the meat market, however, around half of the meat produced for the Kosher market is rejected and sold on the mainstream market.

I do agree that the meat should be labelled, but I would want anything labelled Halal to differentiate between stunned and non-stunned and similarly, I would want Kosher to be clearly labelled.

Anyone who then avoided stunned Halal couldn't argue animal welfare and could be called out for the clear bigot's they are - particularly if they are not religious (like over 50% of the country)

Do you include Kosher in that or just Halal - does that mean you think all Jewish people should be vegetarian or each meat which is against their beliefs?

It's wrong to say people concerned about halal and kosher slaughter are only motivated by racism. Some halal meat is not stunned and all kosher meat is not stunned. This is a legitimate cause for concern. From the RSPCA website:

"We believe that all animals should be stunned before slaughter. Evidence shows that slaughter without pre-stunning can cause unneeded suffering.

We oppose the slaughter of any animal without first ensuring it's unable to feel pain and distress.

We're pressing for law changes to improve animal welfare at slaughter. Until this happens, we propose:

UK Jewish and Muslim communities review their slaughter practices.

Meat produced from animals not stunned before slaughter should be clearly labelled to allow consumer choice."

You must eat it isn’t going to work. By all means go with the labelling but the choice rests with the buyer and you won’t know much more than stats on demand dropping, if it does.

Does that not just mean vegetarian? They don’t seem to sell meat products.

A lot of animals are missed when stunning is supposed to happen anyway. There is no guarantee that the meat you are buying is stunned even if it’s not halal.

I think if there are labels, it should include ‘this animal may not have been stunned’, as people are saying that is there issue. Or would they be ok to buy it if it was supposed to have been stunned but wasn’t actually due to procedures not being followed, chaos in the slaughterhouse, staff not caring etc.

Mark 7:19: Jesus declared all foods "clean"

The ban on pork and shellfish is not carried over into the new testament, so a true christian would have no problem with eating pork

Do you think atheists should have to eat meat that’s been killed in a way to keep certain religions happy?

Yep, that’s the entire point. They took stuff out to make it vegetarian and halal but because they said halal, people are boycotting them
can’t add the pics due to signal but “fucking disgusting” and “halal has no place” were two of the nicer comments
they’re based in a heavily Muslim area

Yes, I include halal and kosher. All communities are welcome to practice their traditions, but if it conflicts with UK law, there's a problem. Are Pagans allowed to ritually kill an ox on an altar? Are people who practice Voodoo allowed to ritually kill chickens? No, yet they can still follow Paganism or Voodoo.

When the law on stunning came in, no exceptions should have been made because it just leads to complications.

Quite.

But there's some quite lazy and reductive thinking evident on this thread, with people stating as if fact that anyone with concerns about animal welfare MUST be just racists using this as cover for Islamophobia.

There have been assumptions made that anybody with concerns ONLY EVER raises them in relation to halal, and never gets involved in any campaigning to raise welfare standards more generally.

Based on no evidence whatsoever than their own personal feelings, it seems.

Like I said, lazy and reductive thinking. Unfortunately, there's a lot of it about.

As pp said, that man has been stoking racist tensions for a while now.

I don’t agree with vandalism but it’s ridiculous to say it’s due to him not serving halal, there are many Indian and non-Indian eateries that don’t serve halal.

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