£40,000 per family to leave UK should be open to everyone

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Labour Government to pay failed asylum seekers up to 40 grand per family to leave the UK (10 grand per person).

I want a piece of the action and considering it is taxpayer funded, it should be open to all.

There appear to be no solutions to the immigration problem😟

There are, but it looks like what's currently happening in the US and we'd need to leave the ECHR.

From the BBC article.

I have a few questions.

Why can’t we just deport failed asylum seekers??

Won’t this incentivise even more spurious ‘asylum’ claims from people who would like to make a quick £40k - not to mention giving a great marketing angle to the people traffickers. It doesn’t matter that it targets only 150 families initially - the fact that they are offering it to anyone at all is a gift for people traffickers.

How is housing a family of three costing £158,000 per year??

That’s £432 per night!! I could get a very nice hotel for that.

Families of failed asylum seekers will be offered up to £40,000 to leave the UK under a trial scheme announced by Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood.
Mahmood said the government would seek to forcibly remove failed asylum seekers if they do not accept "incentive payments" of up to £10,000 per person, capped at four per family, within seven days.
The scheme is expected to target about 150 families living in taxpayer-funded accommodation, and the Home Office estimates it could save £20m if successful.
However, the Conservatives and Reform UK said the payments would incentivise people to come to the UK illegally.
Mahmood unveiled the scheme as she sought make the "Labour case" for restricting support to some asylum seekers in a speech to a left-leaning think tank on Thursday.
The government already runs a voluntary returns programme, under which asylum seekers who choose to leave the UK can receive up to £3,000 in financial support.
Mahmood said housing a family of three in asylum accommodation costs up to £158,000 per year.

Well yes, it’s a bit like trying to solve any human ‘problem’ that’s existed for millennia. People move around, we can’t ’solve’ immigration but defining and dealing with the problems some immigration causes some of the time and in some places is more pragmatic. Paying people to go home is a pragmatic solution to the problem of having to house people and go through legal processes to remove them. But for some people perfection is more desirable, so in that sense I guess no, there are no solutions that will please everyone.

Yes, apparently at least 2 billionaires have been created by letting asylum hotels/HMOs to the government. The contracts for accommodation and care packages etc for asylum seekers involved are billions and billions and there is very little transparency over the deals. An MP is currently trying to obtain some information but the government are not giving it up easily.

If it’s commercially sensitive then the government can’t ’give it up easily’. And it will be the commercial entities that want it kept secret, not the government.

This is a discussion about Shabana Mahmood proposals - are you calling her a racist? Is a discussion about deporting failed asylum seekers ‘racist’?

Can you show any of this racism you have supposedly seen here?

Are you aware that there are rules on transparency in government contracts over £25,000 to prevent corruption?

www.gov.uk/government/publications/procurement-and-contracting-transparency-requirements-guidance

Yes - and since you’ve found the transparency requirements, why are you questioning the lack of transparency? You can see from the contract finder what has been let, are you suggesting the government is failing to meet its legal obligations as set out in the requirements?

You are implying that we are all racists first having this discussion. That is not polite ir helpful.

Please give an example of this racism you feel is so normalised.

Fair enough. I have never read deeply into it. Just comparing it to Australia’s Operation “Sovereign Borders” which seemed to halt boat arrivals significantly (which I am sure was also down to other things too.)

I was responding to a specific post and I've stated that quite clearly already. I am certainly not going to engage with a poster who makes reference to what I've "supposedly" seen.

Have a pleasant evening.

It’s a joke Op and if this is true it’s disgusting.
I want my tax to go to British families in need and other worthwhile causes related to this country.

Yes there is a distinct lack of transparency in how these multi billion £ contracts were awarded.

First example an ongoing £1.5 billion contract awarded to an obscure company in Bradford for providing of accommodation and services for when the asylum seekers were housed in Dorset on the Bibby Stockholm.

Huge sections of the contracts redacted. Little or no information on tendering. I’m saying this as the current government and the Tories are also responsible.

I really don’t understand.

pp said: Nobody should be afraid to speak up anymore - the days of branding anyone “racist” who dares to speak up are gone. Hence why the polling is the way it is.

You said Yes. Racism has become normalised now,as evidenced on this site.

You made the claim that there is evidence of racism in this site and are appearing to imply that many talking about this topic are racists. That is quite a big accusation.

I’m just asking for your evidence, I think that’s only reasonable.

This is why more and more people will vote for Reform.

I’d have to reread to be sure of the details but I believe there was an initial reduction and then things resumed more or less the same.

You can see the transparency requirements and you can see - eg - the contract values. Do the transparency requirements mean more should be published? If not, then what’s your point? As I said before, commercial info will be redacted, why do you think it wouldn’t be?

ETA I’m not arguing that the contract values are good or right or anything else.

People have moved around for millennia however the country they arrived in haven't been expected to house and feed them.
Educate their children or provide hospital care.

When people come to this country and claim asylum they are prevented from getting a job and housed where the government chooses to put them. It may be that a proportion are happy to be housed and fed and not work, but we won’t know that while the rules prevent anyone from earning their own keep.

The UK doesn't have jobs for the people we have, nor enough housing.

The UK does need to make itself less attractive to migrant people, remembering they are travelling across Europe, Europe which is safe. What does UK offer that France Germany or the Netherlands don't

Obviously in the past people occasionally moved around and didn't even have to have passports until fairly recently. However now we are in the age of the internet and mass travel and the population in continents such as Africa rising exponentially whereas our governments seem to think laws written in the 1950s are suitable. That's before you get to human rights laws, welfare etc. I personally think the mass movements of people are intentional and part of the one world government being pushed by the UN, WEF etc. so nothing will change short-term until more people wake up.

welcoming people?

Agree re jobs, though the costs of housing could be mitigated if people were able to work, and it’s quite well documented that being in decent work is better for health than being unemployed, so there would be a cost saving there. That could even come from allowing people to volunteer.

What does UK offer that France Germany or the Netherlands don't

You can find the answer to that in lots of places.

This ridiculous scheme makes a mockery of the asylum system - we are basically putting up our hands and saying "if you come over here as an economic migrant with no real case for asylum we can't get rid of you - we will have to bribe you to leave". What's even more bonkers is that you get more money if you have your wife and kids with you - so this will incentivise people who are not genuine asylum seekers to make the journey with children in tow! Then there's the fact that no-one in the government has thought about how much the average salary is in the countries we would be returning these people to...To give an example Pakistan the average annual salary is £2655 - so if I can try my luck and get my family over to the UK and fail my asylum case, pocket £40K I will be able to return home and not have to work for the next 15 years? Does no-one see that we are basically being held to ransom over this?