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NoEggs · 04/03/2026 21:47

I love my DH. He’s a great guy and we’ve been happy for many years.

But
He’s not perfect. Doesn’t do the laundry. Defaults to letting me make stuff happen etc. etc.

Now even if your partner is a paragon I would argue that the species ‘men’ will generally default to slightly bloody useless.

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GaIadriel · 07/03/2026 19:58

category12 · 05/03/2026 16:09

The information I've found on https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/abuseduringchildhoodinenglandandwales/march2024#prevalence-of-child-abuse shows fathers being reported as the perpetrator of physical abuse 45.6% of the time vs mothers (31.2%), strangers (17.0%) and people in a position of trust or authority (16.8%).

So still more men.

I can't be arsed to spend ages looking for sources. It's historically always been the mother as main abuser.

The biggest metastudy of DV to date also found that women perpetrate more DV than men despite not killing their partner as often. It was called the 'Partner Abuse State of Knowledge' and was conducted by over 100 academics from 20 universities in UK/US/Canada alongside DV organisations and charities. They reviewed over 10,000 studies and extrapolated the data from over 1200 peer reviewed studies. They have a website you can look at.

This is supported by dozens of other studies over the last 50 years. It's only government crime data which seems to consistently contradict it. Experts suggest that this is because men often don't officially report abuse for fear of being seen as 'weak', because they don't want to lose access to their children, and in the past simply because there were no support services for them so they'd end up homeless as men are usually bottom of the housing list - Mankind have done a lot of research on this and say men are 2.4x less likely to report DV than women.

Here's what Google says:

Yes, research indicates that mothers are frequently the main perpetrators of child abuse and neglect, largely because they are most often the primary caregivers. However, the data varies based on the type of abuse, with mothers more frequently associated with neglect and emotional abuse, while fathers and male partners are more often associated with sexual abuse and severe physical violence.

Neglect and Physical Abuse:
Research often finds that mothers are more likely to be involved in cases of neglect and physical abuse. One analysis indicated that roughly 40% of child victims were abused by their mothers acting alone, with 17.3% abused by both parents.

Understanding the Data:
While some reports, such as those from the U.S. Administration for Children and Families (ACF), have shown higher percentages of female perpetrators (around 52% in 2020), it is essential to look at the type of abuse and the context. Mothers are often the primary caregiver, meaning they spend more time with the child, which, when combined with stressors like poverty, can lead to higher rates of reported neglect or physical punishment.

In 2023, of people who perpetrated childhood maltreatment, more than three-quarters (76%) were parents to the victim(s), 52% were female, 47% were white, and 39% were between the ages of 25-34.

https://ojjdp.ojp.gov/statistical-briefing-book/victims/faqs/qa02111#:~:text=Data%20Analysis%20Tools&text=Q:%20Who%20perpetrates%20childhood%20maltreatment,the%20ages%20of%2025%2D34.

Females perpetrate CPA at higher rates but are less likely to severely injure the child than males.

Research focusing on the prevalence of gender differences among perpetrators
demonstrates that mothers and females are generally more likely than fathers or males to commit CPA (Behl et al., 2003; Cui et al., 2016, Chung & Su, 2009; Locke & Newcomb, 2004; Park, 2020, Mulder et al., 2018).

A literature meta-analysis by Behl and colleagues confirmed this
pattern of females being significantly more likely to be CPA perpetrators (2003).

Consistent with this pattern, adults who experienced child maltreatment report higher rates of child maltreatment from their mothers than from their fathers (Muller, 1995). This is particularly true when CPA is involved.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&rct=j&url=scholarworks.gvsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article%3D1825%26context%3Dhonorsprojects%23:~:text%3DGender%2520Difference%2520in%2520Perpetrators,true%2520when%2520CPA%2520is%2520involved.&ved=2ahUKEwjps4WtwY6TAxVLwQIHHepeFCwQmL8OegQIBxAI&opi=89978449&cd&psig=AOvVaw2_05Cr6k42_bigA0t79tTw&ust=1772997723077000

Mothers more were reported to be perpetrators of physical abuse or any type of child maltreatment against girls (χ2 = 19.93, 19.69 respectively p < 0.001). In contrast, more fathers (31.7%) than mothers (28.2%) practiced physical abuse against boys (χ2 = 4.81, p < 0.05).

In terms of frequency of child maltreatment, mothers perpetrated more frequent maltreatment (all types except neglect) against girls than fathers did (p values <0.05). Among boys, mothers also practiced more frequent non-violent discipline and psychological aggression.

Fathers were less likely than mothers to practice psychological aggression (OR = 0.81, 95% CI: 0.72–0.91) and corporal punishment (OR = 0.88, 95% CI: 0.79–0.99).

We found that boys are more vulnerable than girls to being physically maltreated, which is consistent with previous research findings. Liao et al. (2013) reviewed 24 studies and found that gender plays an important role in the occurrence of child maltreatment.

Mothers were more likely to be reported to practice of psychological aggression and corporal punishment, which is consistent with previous findings (Lansford et al., 2002; Tang, 2006). Straus and Field (2003) also reported that in some regions of the U.S., mothers used more psychological aggression than fathers.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7485598/

Table 3 shows that for all survivors aged 16 to 59 of psychological abuse during childhood, the perpetrator was most likely to have been the survivor’s mother (40%) or father (35%). Men were equally likely to have been abused by their fathers (38%) or their mothers (38%), whereas women were more likely to have experienced psychological abuse by their mothers (42%) than their fathers (33%). Overall, the perpetrators of psychological abuse were likely to be within the immediate family of the survivor.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/abuseduringchildhood/findingsfromtheyearendingmarch2016crimesurveyforenglandandwales#:~:text=Table%203%20shows%20that%20for,immediate%20family%20of%20the%20survivor.

Characteristics of perpetrators of child maltreatment | Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention

Find answers to frequently asked questions about: Characteristics of perpetrators of child maltreatment

https://ojjdp.ojp.gov/statistical-briefing-book/victims/faqs/qa02111#:~:text=Data%20Analysis%20Tools&text=Q:%20Who%20perpetrates%20childhood%20maltreatment,the%20ages%20of%2025%2D34.

category12 · 07/03/2026 20:00

Valeyard15 · 07/03/2026 19:50

With modern tools, like a decent electric drill, if she chooses to, there's no reason a woman can't do the DIY - or do the research to project-manage bigger issues.

No reason at all - the vast majority will simply choose not to, though.

Well, considering women are usually doing more housework and childcare than their male partners, if they don't want to pick up the traditionally male jobs on top of that, that would be understandable, no?

It's not that either sex is incapable of doing the required tasks.

Valeyard15 · 07/03/2026 20:08

Well, considering women are usually doing more housework and childcare than their male partners

But they are generally working significantly fewer hours as well.

Firefly1987 · 07/03/2026 21:05

category12 · 07/03/2026 20:00

Well, considering women are usually doing more housework and childcare than their male partners, if they don't want to pick up the traditionally male jobs on top of that, that would be understandable, no?

It's not that either sex is incapable of doing the required tasks.

Totally understandable. Which begs the question what the issue with the status quo is!

CypressGrove · 07/03/2026 21:26

NoEggs · 07/03/2026 18:28

Apart from the obvious physical differences in that men tend to be stronger, taller etc I cannot see why men and women can’t be equal in terms of tasks.

The reality is that they are often not. No matter how super your Nigel is I bet that the chances are that, given a choice, he will prioritise self over community/family in a way that most (not all) women do not. It is impossible not to make generalisations in this discussion so please accept my acknowledgement that this is such a one.

I’m a massive proponent of the theory that this inclination is biological in origin. Doesn’t make it right though.

And for full disclosure my Nigel makes me incredibly happy and we work well together but that doesn’t mean that I am not unobservant of the imbalances in our relationship perpetuated by societal norms (especially my MIL).

edited to include a missing word

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So for all the woman in here with male partners that do share household tasks equally - including the mental load - you are now claiming that "given a choice, he will prioritise self over community/family in a way that most (not all) women do not. "
What does that even mean? Why are you assuming these men aren't already actively choosing to prioritise community/family over themselves? I'm not asking my partner to do the things he does, he just does them because he chooses to do them as a partner, father and community member.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/03/2026 21:52

What does that even mean? Why are you assuming these men aren't already actively choosing to prioritise community/family over themselves?

In my case, I'm basing it on the replies from the men who responded to my recent MN thread that asked that question. And men's responses on other threads. And RL experience.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/03/2026 22:16

And research, data and statistics.

Valeyard15 · 07/03/2026 22:36

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/03/2026 21:52

What does that even mean? Why are you assuming these men aren't already actively choosing to prioritise community/family over themselves?

In my case, I'm basing it on the replies from the men who responded to my recent MN thread that asked that question. And men's responses on other threads. And RL experience.

In my experience it is men as well as women who are delivering youth clubs, chairing parent councils, coaching sports clubs, running community centres. This isn't 'prioritising themselves'.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/03/2026 22:44

Valeyard15 · 07/03/2026 22:36

In my experience it is men as well as women who are delivering youth clubs, chairing parent councils, coaching sports clubs, running community centres. This isn't 'prioritising themselves'.

How do you know?

You dont have to look far to find abusive males who seek out victims in youth groups, coaching and community groups. All you have to do is read the News.

What's so different about the men that you think you know?

Valeyard15 · 07/03/2026 22:48

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/03/2026 22:44

How do you know?

You dont have to look far to find abusive males who seek out victims in youth groups, coaching and community groups. All you have to do is read the News.

What's so different about the men that you think you know?

Wow, quite the 'can't win' argument you've managed to create there. Men do nothing for anyone, except the ones who do, who must therefore be suspicious.

PollyBell · 07/03/2026 22:56

So op are you perfect?

Why do men have to be perfect but women use excuses?

NoEggs · 07/03/2026 23:14

PollyBell · 07/03/2026 22:56

So op are you perfect?

Why do men have to be perfect but women use excuses?

Please RTFT to obtain my views on relative levels of perfection.

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CypressGrove · 07/03/2026 23:19

Valeyard15 · 07/03/2026 22:48

Wow, quite the 'can't win' argument you've managed to create there. Men do nothing for anyone, except the ones who do, who must therefore be suspicious.

Exactly- first its no men are equal partners, and then it's the men who are equal partners are because they don't have a choice or are dodgy somehow. What a mindset to raise our sons with!

GaIadriel · 07/03/2026 23:42

Well, considering how men always put themselves first it's kinda surprising how they seem to be the ones doing all the dangerous roles saving other people's lives.

If you get stuck in a burning building will it be mainly men or women that rescue you?

What about if you need cutting out of a burning car?

How about a knife wielding maniac turns up at your front door at 3am?

A terrorist attack on the theatre you're in?

Another country invades us?

Or even if a violent drunk needs removing from a bar?

All the dirty jobs like waste collection and sewage work?

Toiling on the roads in the boiling summer heat?

Building the houses you live in/buildings you work in?

It's mainly women doing the above, right? 🤔

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/03/2026 00:10

Valeyard15 · 07/03/2026 22:48

Wow, quite the 'can't win' argument you've managed to create there. Men do nothing for anyone, except the ones who do, who must therefore be suspicious.

It's not a can't win argument. Its not even an argument, its a statement of fact, borne out by the statistics regarding abusers: They seek safety and target victims via caring roles.

Then you have the men who abuse their partners, children, mothers. The ones who use sex workers. Watch violent abuse images. Threaten and harass women IRL and on the internet.

The men who rape and murder the people they claim to love most. The men who rape and murder colleagues, acquaintances and strangers.

Most violent criminals.

Add on to that the men who lie and cheat. The deadbeat dads. The lazy ones. The alcoholics and gamblers. The selfish ones. Conmen tradesmen. Bosses.

The men who cover for other men. The ones who "joke" about it. The ones who make a virtue of seeing it, but do fuck all about it.

The ones who blame women.

I know NAMALT, but when you add it all up, a lot of them really ALT.🤷‍♀️

Valeyard15 · 08/03/2026 00:16

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/03/2026 00:10

It's not a can't win argument. Its not even an argument, its a statement of fact, borne out by the statistics regarding abusers: They seek safety and target victims via caring roles.

Then you have the men who abuse their partners, children, mothers. The ones who use sex workers. Watch violent abuse images. Threaten and harass women IRL and on the internet.

The men who rape and murder the people they claim to love most. The men who rape and murder colleagues, acquaintances and strangers.

Most violent criminals.

Add on to that the men who lie and cheat. The deadbeat dads. The lazy ones. The alcoholics and gamblers. The selfish ones. Conmen tradesmen. Bosses.

The men who cover for other men. The ones who "joke" about it. The ones who make a virtue of seeing it, but do fuck all about it.

The ones who blame women.

I know NAMALT, but when you add it all up, a lot of them really ALT.🤷‍♀️

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So what exactly are you saying here? Are you saying men shouldn't help out in their community at all, by virtue of the fact that they are men?

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/03/2026 00:20

Valeyard15 · 08/03/2026 00:16

So what exactly are you saying here? Are you saying men shouldn't help out in their community at all, by virtue of the fact that they are men?

No.

Firefly1987 · 08/03/2026 00:32

GaIadriel · 07/03/2026 23:42

Well, considering how men always put themselves first it's kinda surprising how they seem to be the ones doing all the dangerous roles saving other people's lives.

If you get stuck in a burning building will it be mainly men or women that rescue you?

What about if you need cutting out of a burning car?

How about a knife wielding maniac turns up at your front door at 3am?

A terrorist attack on the theatre you're in?

Another country invades us?

Or even if a violent drunk needs removing from a bar?

All the dirty jobs like waste collection and sewage work?

Toiling on the roads in the boiling summer heat?

Building the houses you live in/buildings you work in?

It's mainly women doing the above, right? 🤔

It's absolutely wild how some women ignore all the above isn't it! I've heard a lot of the younger men saying they'd never risk their lives for women because they get no thanks for it and it's just not worth it. I can kind of see their point tbh.

Lets see the stats of how many men have died trying to save a strangers life compared to women. That would be an eye-opener.

What gets me as well is all the complaining about things designed for women and them saying "you can tell this was designed by a man" the implication being they don't give a damn about a woman's comfort or they hate women so they designed something awful for them to use. And I think well don't use it then! Or why aren't women inventing all these things? Why is it being left to men? No doubt they'll claim it's because men don't let women invent things or something.

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/03/2026 01:42

Lets see the stats of how many men have died trying to save a strangers life compared to women. That would be an eye-opener.

Do you have those stats @Firefly1987? We could compare them to the stats of how many men have been convicted of violence and murder against women and children. Those they know and claim to love, as well as strangers.

That's a real eye opener.

Firefly1987 · 08/03/2026 01:50

@TooBigForMyBoots yes we know that already. But you can't claim other men aren't standing up to this when some have literally lost their lives trying to intervene.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx28qj9ndlgo

But yeah men only think about themselves eh.

John Smyth, a well-built man with short, dark hair, wearing a black suit with white shirt and blue tie. He appears to have confetti scattered on his shoulders and a white flower in the lapel of of his jacket.

Wallsend man guilty of murdering break-in intervention 'hero'

John Smyth, 63, was battered to death as he tried to stop a drug addict attacking a woman's flat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx28qj9ndlgo

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/03/2026 01:55

As I said upthread: I know NAMALT, but when you add it all up, a lot of them really ALT.🤷‍♀️

Frequency · 08/03/2026 01:58

1 in 4 women have been raped or sexually assaulted since reaching 16, and over 90% report being sexually harassed in public (the stats for under 16 are counted separately)

So, no, NAMALT, but unless we are willing to believe a minority of men are abusing a majority of women, it is most men. The sooner we face up to this, the sooner we can start to fix it.

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/03/2026 01:58

Firefly1987 · 08/03/2026 01:50

@TooBigForMyBoots yes we know that already. But you can't claim other men aren't standing up to this when some have literally lost their lives trying to intervene.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx28qj9ndlgo

But yeah men only think about themselves eh.

Do you have the stats regarding the number or men who save strangers? How do they compare to the number of men who commit violence and murder?

And who are the assailants? What sex is the most common on such occasions?

Firefly1987 · 08/03/2026 02:23

@TooBigForMyBoots no I said it'd be interesting to see not that I have the stats to hand. I don't even know if they've done such studies! No one is arguing any of your other points.

Frequency · 08/03/2026 02:30

Only 20% of firefighter applicants were women last year, of those hired, only 7% were women, so no fucking shit the person rescuing you from a fire is male, but why is that?

Is it because men are heroes, or is it because women know not to bother trying?