Nearly 1m young people out of work

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62gzl2yl24o

AIBU to be concerned that a life on benefits seems to be a viable option, and glad Labour are bringing in compulsory work placements?

Also, make it clear that they need to adapt to the world, instead of waiting for the world to adapt to them.

As in other countries.

It is extremely concerning that so many young people are on benefits. If so many are on benefits there won't be enough taxpayers to fund state pensions in the long run. I think people on benefits should be doing some kind of community work to earn those.

What about the ones that can’t?

Raising children to know they should provide for themselves, if at all possible, should be absolutely standard.

Obviously those who can't wouldn't be required to do something physical but no doubt there are tasks that don't require physical effort. If too disabled they would be on pip or similar, not universal credit.

Realistically it is only a miniscule percentage who can't. It should not be used as can excuse to avoid work by the rest. Opting out is why the generation is criticised.

Realistically, you’re wrong. In my bog standard , one form primary, we have at least 7 kids that will never be able to live independently or even learn to tie their shoelaces(never mind be able to read, write , do maths to an even bare minimum level), 5 more that could possibly have some independence, but working ability would definitely be questionable. 15 more that are on the cusp, there is potential there , but even if they do make , we are talking minimum wage jobs(and thus propped up by benefits anyway). That’s without all the kids that left for specialist provision. The number gets significantly higher , and again, they can be in either group.

You might want to think that the numbers are small to suit your narrative, but they aren’t.

I was made redundant quite a number of years ago and came to the conclusion that I was conditioned to work. Those who leave school,college or university who cannot find a job then become conditioned not to work.
I feel so sorry for them.

You can get both?

If there is community work available, it should be paid like a proper job. People could be guaranteed hours that equate to what they currently get in benefits.

but then society realises because theres not profit or it costs more then suddenly its no budget for it

to have a fully functioning society then it cannot be run for profit

That didn't use to happen. What has changed?

What didn’t use to happen? It wasn’t until 1970 that certain children stopped being considered “ineducable” and as such never stepped foot in a school. Various terminologies have been around since 1913. None of this is new. Yes the numbers are higher, due to(in my opinion) genetics and advances in medicine.

There seems to be a strong thread of opinion on here that young people are unemployed because they don't want to work.

No, it's because there aren't enough jobs and they can't even get retail or hospitality jobs.

However, there's something in the idea that they could do community work in exchange for benefits. Maybe we could call it a "job" and pay "wages".

This is my fear that a lot of young people will become unemployable the longer they go without being able to find any sort of job.

The thing is , the vast majority of children know they need to get a job. Some have unrealistic expectations about what those jobs might be , some have what one might call low expectations, some might still be unsure , some have high expectations, but it’s incredibly rare a kid will actually say they don’t want/need a job when older.

It is often suggested that UC claimants should perform some work for their local community. The suggestion is normally met with No, they deserve UC if not actually in a job.
But this shows commitment to work which impresses future employers more than doing nothing. It is also good for their mental health.

So, on the numbers you are stating 27/30 children are unlikely to become functioning adults? That is a terrifying statistic. I am horrified and hoping that I have misread your post.

Have you got any data to support that. I would hope it was true. But I don’t know if the ‘vast majority’ know they need to get a job.
I do know that the vast majority of Mumsnet children do. But..stats wise .. I just don’t know.

Some work. Like what? And how would you stop exploitation? Either there are jobs that need doing , in which case hire them with a wage and full protections or there aren’t . If there aren’t, odds are a lot more people will become unemployed if companies could suddenly get their hands on a “volunteer” workforce.

I write this with my heart in my mouth, because I already know that what I am about to write will bring down fury. Many of these needy children who will never earn their own living and who will be dependent on their parents all their lives, from serious mental and/or physical health issues, many of them from birth. In days gone by, a significant percentage would have been still born or died in infancy. I know few will agree with me, but I think it was probably kinder all around long term when medicine was less capable.

it was similar in genghis khans times too

In the 11th century, or whenever, there wasn't the knowledge to prolong any life that wasn't eventually capable of self-feeding. Comparing it to the Mongol Empire is ridiculous.