Nearly 1m young people out of work

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62gzl2yl24o

AIBU to be concerned that a life on benefits seems to be a viable option, and glad Labour are bringing in compulsory work placements?

Because you just wrote that you wouldn't work a low paid job that wouldn't enable you to buy a house if you were a young person. What was the alternative you envisaged?

Yeah I agree with this up to a point

some YouTubers are poison and watching online content can be addictive to some growing minds. And social media is a bit of a wild west at the moment.

But let’s not throw out the baby with the bath water!

So online content is fun, educational, entertaining, generous and those who can use and promote this influential media in positive ways, with great content and override the AI slop do have skills and talents needed in this modern world.

You say this but I have 2 relatives who have 0 intention of working yet manage to convince the job center they have tried "really really" hard to find a job for many years now. Every time they reach a point where their benefits are affected they manage to find a job. They are conveniently let go or quit once they can claim full benefits again. They are constantly at the drs as their only ambition in life is to create enough fuss to eventually qualify for pip. they have absolutely nothing wrong with them but believe that if all the "foreigners" get to live here for free and don't have to work why should they. They honestly disgust me with their views. I can no longer even talk to them or try to help them towards any kind of actual job because all i'm met with is why should I work when others dont have to. They live together and all they do is feed off each other in their own little toxic world.

I dont know what the solution is as if they werent given benefits I have 0 doubt that they would just turn to crime. They 100% have the attitude of but they want/need it and why shouldn't they have it.

I know nobody on benefits right now, young or old (I did know some when youinger, long term unemployed, and during lockdown some people went on UC, had no choice). They are either in education or working, sometimes not in their chosen field but working. Future employers are impressed with applicants who have been doing their best so it pays off eventually.

I read every so often about people on benefits, sometimes whole families, and have seen the same on TV. The media have a field day with them.

Yes we do and we have more success via that route, but we're quite a niche area of consultancy/engineering and so there isn't actually a decent college course that matches - but we make do!

Someone else up thread asked about transport - and I should also add that they can have a company car on salary sacrifice if they want OR access to cars/hire cars (fully paid for) whenever they have to drive for work. As we do a lot of driving around for the job.

The term ‘disabled’ is a survey term used by the ons. It does not mean that these neets fall under the benefits definition of being unable to work.

Source/data, please.

Thanks

Jobs are so few and far between for young people now.
DiL applies for loads. She has retail and bar experience. Excellent references . Done extra courses to help her. She's only got a 12hr a week job but better than nothing. It's hard as she doesn't drive yet.
But there's also many young people who don't want to work in fast food or a cleaning job or whatever is available as it's easier to get money for free
Eldest DS was lucky he worked in hospitality from age 14 on £20 a day for 9 -4pm clearing tables and emptying bins. Was pittance and most teen boys wouldn't get out of bed for that - but he wanted to earn. That gave him experience then at 18 got another job for £10ph which wasn't bad for his age for 30 hours a week.
He's just got another job which is more local, 10 min drive , free parking and £28k - 30 hours a week at age 19.

His df could have employed him but ds wanted to try for himself first rather than be handed on a plate. But would have probably accepted of needed.
Our dcs are all fortunate that their df can employ them if it was needed doing admin / general roles or an apprenticeship if they want to go into the trade

You know what, who cares? I mean really.

If their main ambition is to sit at home manipulating doctors so what?

What work and life gives you is much more than money. You have stories, possibilities, a certainty that you don’t need to worry about if the benefit bill might be cut.

I have an old neighbour friend from my home village, she is 50s now, not only managed to get the house, car and husband carer all on benefits, and has started on her poor nearly 30 year old son, but by god she drains all the joy out of a room, can’t leave the house without wobbling around on crutches (to go to a darts team go figure) and is a perfect pin up on how not to live.

It’s fucking miserable.

How does an online form help with that?

The point is they’re not sophisticated, and they can be a barrier to the young people discussed in the thread.

That’s none of my business.

The government just keeps raising the barriers for businesses to create jobs; increasing tax, increasing rates, increasing starting wages. They should be improving the environment for entrepreneurs to start new businesses and grow existing ones. Without these, there will be no new jobs. Existing businesses will always employ an experienced worker over a newbie if they have a choice and the cost is the same. Who wouldn't?

Is anyone concerned with the 3.5m 50-64 yr olds economically inactive?

I agree with this, now in my mid 60's I worked before and after school from the age of 12, again only doing paper rounds/shop work and babysitting.
I saw that earning and having my own money allowed a bit for saving and a bit for spending as my parents didn’t have a big income, I could buy things I not only needed but saved for, all be it for ages and eventually those I wanted.

My DH also had a weekend gardening job at 14....both my DC, now in their 30's had jobs slightly older than that.

We would go into a FT job thinking nothing of starting at the bottom and progressing, I didn't do college or uni, didn't earn a fortune, but what I received I did actually earn and appreciated that I'd earned it.

I worked during a slow period in the 80's where companies were laying off workers our company chose to do week on week off where all workers took turns and worked one week then another set of workers did the next, it kept everyone in a job...fortunately I still lived with my parents. We received our wage one week and £12 'dole money' the next which was deemed enough to live on, it was a struggle as I still paid bed and board but we were more than happy to be able to still have jobs, and pretty used to working towards what we needed instead of wanting everything now.

Not everyone is academically minded and we will always need shop staff/plumbers/painters/electricians and such but unless you've a parent/know someone to take you under their wing training around our area is like rocking horse shite.

I understand some jobs for school age children aren't so readily available now due to insurance in many cases, and dare I say some seeing their parents getting everything for nothing but I
also think pushing the older generation into staying in work isn’t freeing up those jobs for the younger generations to move into.

Yes it’s this approach which is creating the issue for young people. A gov needs to do as you put here.

I don’t know
But it’s not beyond the imagination to think there are application form psychologists who are employed to create questions which give indications of a person’s social and emotional personality. Especially if you have to do it online live (no googling AI out of it)

I think that people care because they don't feel that they should be taxed to the hilt to pay for it

But in time those older workers will fade out, have health problems, caring duties, save enough to retire, grow physically unable to keep pace.

And cost more.
And want higher wage increases.

It’s good to keep a mix surely to cover all bases.

Yes I get that

but to inspire the younger generation not to follow suit pointing out the utter bleakness and how small and boring and joyless this road is might help to stop the cycle

People aren’t getting taxed to the hilt because of 16 yr olds not working! As I said 3.5m over 50s are economically inactive.

Have you considered finding some mature graduates? I studied for a degree later in life and found I couldn’t get a graduate job because graduate schemes are all set up for people with a more traditional path. There’s actually a whole thread about it that started a while back.

There are thousands of mature students and graduates who would love to have a career change and change their lives. Many of us were already doing minimum wage jobs so we won’t expect a huge starting salary, and many of us studied part-time so we’re already used to antisocial hours. We have workplace experience so we know how to behave in an office, and won’t wear crop tops to work.

Find out whichever university or college in your area is known for having a lot of mature students, approach them, and make it clear that the job is suitable for career changers. I would’ve been over the moon to have found a job like that.

I work in amusement arcade, we can’t take anyone under 18 due to license laws, missed opportunity sadly as we always get underage trying, it would get them learning electrical circuits & dealing with the public

Are the Labour cheerleaders getting the message yet? Probably not. No one who votes Labour understands how the economy works.

Disability is identified in 45% of NEETs from lower working class backgrounds, compared to 22% of those from higher professional backgrounds.

https://socialmobility.independent-commission.uk/all-neets-are-not-the-same-social-mobility-commission-warns-government-review/

where do people presume the profits are going to be made to keep all people in work when many companies are going bankrupt and or using offshore companies ?