SEND - children’s needs to be reassessed from year 6 2029?

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Are they taking the piss? After the struggles parents have trying to secure support for their child, they’re then going to threaten to take it away once they’re due to go to secondary? Ds goes to secondary this year so I don’t think it will effect him but I am so angry for those it does effect.

That isn't what the PP is referring to. She's talking about children who have gradually fallen behind over a series of years.

To be fair if all these children are SEN but can’t get an ehcp maybe instead of ehcps that money should be poured directly into schools?

That way all children are recognised and supported. Not just the ones who happen to have parents who will fight for them.

Or even for a very specific reason like my son. He wasn't behind until a long period out of school.

We did have a particular class who had a flurry of teacher changes. A new teacher tried to do work on train timetables, then realised they nearly the whole class didn't understand time. So she rolled back to telling the time for a few lessons, then picked it up again. That isn't SEN. That's a learning gap caused by inconsistency of teaching.

Being at university doesn’t prevent a child from being on the SEN register at some point previously. Some DC who have SEN or have previously had SEN (Not all remain on the SEN register for the rest of their schooling. Some only remain coded as K short term) go on to university. They are not mutually exclusive.

Semantics. She was talking about catch-up sessions for kids who need extra help. As was I. Her point stands though. There is very little resource available to do that stuff any more.

There are clearly people who either work in or have children in what can only be described as crap schools, and instead of wanting to fix that they want everyone else to just accept inadequate teaching for their children too.

”Non-Sen children have inadequate education all the time.” What? Why do they?! Who is accepting that and just coming on here to shrug about it.

No thank you.

If my NT, apparently otherwise able, child had been falling behind year on year, with no recognition of that from the school - they wouldn’t be going to that school.

Expect better, people.

The NC is not a good guide if that's what the teacher is saying. The average age of children who can do start of year 6 maths is 12.5. Pretty much all children are operating below the NC for their year.

It is not semantics. There is a difference between the pp posts and your example.

Interventions, catch up sessions amounts to the same thing in my school.

Nobody accepts it but what can we do? Were told just to feel lucky our children aren’t SEN, and to stop picking on those who do 🤷‍♀️ because we want the TAs to actually TA and stop being 121s, and we want our children to stop being attacked, and we want them to sit and learn rather than being evacuated because of yet another chair thrower.

Easy to say ‘expect better’ but you’re not saying that as a remedy to the SEN parents are you? Because it’s a meaningless mantra and we know ‘expecting better’ doesn’t mean it’s going to GET better.

It’s time for £100k placements to stop and some kind of fairly basic provision to be made with an online learning package. No more equine therapy for children whose only struggle is anxiety. Just a quiet small room where they can learn away from others if theyre motivated to do so, with no distraction and the autonomy they seem to need.

If the public are substandardly educated then the pool of taxpayers expected to prop up these expensive placements will dwindle even further than it already has.

Time to take a practical look at the black hole of spending here and redirect it toward something more productive in the long run.

DD2 got great provision in year 4/5/6 without an EHCP. Her needs were recognised and met. Then she went to mainstream secondary school and they did the very least they could get away with. In fact, when I did a SAR, amongst the papers was an email that said 'can I take this list of kids off the SEN register? They're keeping their heads down and trying.' and the reply was 'you need to keep x (DD2) and y on there.' In fact, DD2 was drowning.

Later, I had a report giving DD2 a grade 1 in English. No commentary on the report. Just a grade. I emailed the teacher to say "Ooh, tricky.... What are we doing about this?" She replied, "If DD2 does what I tell her to do, she'll be ok....", and I replied "If DD2 could do that, she would...."

Just add my examples to pp's then. All that stuff doesn't get done any more. It's a shitshow in schools atm.

But you weren’t talking about catch up on just one lesson/topic like fractions. Your post was about more involved catch up. That is the difference.

Children with high needs will still be children with high needs, no matter what you call them or what you categorise them as. The support will have to be there because without it, outcomes for all children will worsen.

This.

And if you remove education support, other costs will rise.

If you cut DS1’s education package, his continuing care package would increase, he would have more hospital admissions, more outpatient appointments, more community appointments…

If you cut DS3’s education package, his social care package will increase and he will use more NHS resources.

You want BOTH less violence in the classroom AND no more expensive specialist placements?
How are you going to manage that? Just send all the aggressive children straight to prison?
You do realise that the children excluded from school won't sit at home learning online - they will not learn, they will get sucked into crime (or they will become mentally ill) and either way they will cost more than the school placement.

If you are genuinely telling me that someone has said to you “listen we know your child is behind on their reading, but there’s an autistic child over there we need to focus on” and your response to that is to complain about autistic kids and not about your child not getting the support they need from the school responsible for educating them - that’s up to you.

Surely nobody is accepting that as an answer. “Oh well, my kid will have to have inadequate education, off to MN to blame a SENd parent.”

The reason our kids have the support they do, or their EHCP, is because we’ve had to fight long and hard to get them it. Fill in endless forms, go to a million meetings, tell the right people the right words.

I did expect better, like many other SENd parents. I expected him to be moved from a mainstream setting that wasn’t serving anyone, including the other children around him. I expect him to have a school to go to that actually educates him and aids his development. He has better.

Do the same. Nobody is stopping you.

we want the TAs to actually TA and stop being 121s, and we want our children to stop being attacked, and we want them to sit and learn rather than being evacuated because of yet another chair thrower.

Why do you think shoehorning more DC with SEN into unsuitable MS placements is going to solve this? It won’t. See Scotland. See Wales.

Easy to say ‘expect better’ but you’re not saying that as a remedy to the SEN parents are you? Because it’s a meaningless mantra and we know ‘expecting better’ doesn’t mean it’s going to GET better.

It is actually said about and to parents with DC with SEN regularly.

some kind of fairly basic provision to be made with an online learning package. No more equine therapy for children whose only struggle is anxiety. Just a quiet small room where they can learn away from others if theyre motivated to do so, with no distraction and the autonomy they seem to need.

Once again showing your complete lack of understanding.

No child is receiving 100k placements for anxiety alone.

TA's are going to be even more busy with children in mainstream schools who clearly don't belong there when EHCP's are taken away from them. It's going to make that aspect worse, not better.

BTW @Playingvideogames, perhaps you can answer the question you previously ignored. Before posting the link that excluded education costs, did you actually read the link?

"Time to take a practical look at the black hole of spending here and redirect it toward something more productive in the long run."

@Playingvideogames it is exactly this mentality that is costing my LA upwards of £140k for two of my children. Instead of meeting their fairly basic needs, they pushed them to the point that they became so ill that only an independent special school will do. It should never have been.

DD1....the LA saved possibly £5000 over the course of her schooling by sending her to the school that was ½ mile closer. Now, that is costing thousands in psychiatry, psychology, nursing time, social worker time, educational psychology time, speech and language therapy time, occupational therapy time...and do you know what? Each of those professionals will have no choice but to say that she has very high needs because she can't mask anymore and they can't say anything other than they can see. She didn't have those high, high needs in primary special school. They have arisen because of 8 years of education that didn't meet her needs. Now she is going to cost a lot of money, whether in education or in social care. Even the most basic social care package of a care worker taking her to a social care placement for 3 days per week will cost about £40,000 per year.

The only way to help society in the long run is to spend money on early intervention.

From what I can see that has been calculated the funding will be around £17000 a year extra each school will get.
Thats not even 1 extra TA!
Also the other funding which is side lined for salt,EPs,OTs will account for around 40 days a year maybe more for secondaries.

And by the way my child was in a room with a 1 to 1 on his own!
No friends (because they had to do work different to him) it was soul destroying to see him isolated just because he couldn't function in a class of 31 children.

And no he wasnt given horse riding or any thing deemed by some of you as special! Just an empty room!

So despite all that input you doubt she will work and live independently or semi independently?

What do you hope he will do when he’s 18?

There was a time when she was identified as one of the pupils who would go on to an independence hub. Now she's really quite unwell. She will never live completely independently. She's been failed.