To wonder what happens if the police DON'T bring charges

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.... against Andrew? What happens if the police say that after extensive investigations they cannot find evidence of criminal wrongdoing? Has the King jumped the gun a bit, stripping and exiling his brother? Will the RF have egg on their face on the world stage?
Have many organisations, especially media and social media exposed thrmselves to defamation lawsuits from a skint Andy?

But this has nothing to do with her. He was arrested specifically for passing on State classified documents (to a serving paedophile) whilst working for the government as a Trade Ambassador. Misconduct in Public Office.

I think it's similar to what they are investigating Mandelson for, though he hasn't been arrested, they did search his homes and take away stuff though.

Perhaps it is but I believe it is a possibility. This wasn't just Epstein that did these terrible things it's a network of the rich and powerful

It wasn't just Epstein though was it. Many rich and powerful people involved. And she was a mother. It's quite unusual for a mother to commit suicide.

One thing that this affair has clearly demonstrated, and hopefully future governments will take on board, is that making individuals trade envoys or ambassadors representing the UK, when they do not have 20 years professional diplomatic experience is beyond stupid and must stop.

Whatever happens, Andrew is and always will be, an arrogant entitled bully. His behaviour is well known to anyone who has ever crossed paths with him. He has done it to himself Im afraid and whether or not he is actually charged, nobody will now want to be associated with him

His titles were stripped before any arrest.

It’s not defamatory to report that someone has been arrested and why.

Even if it was defamatory; why would someone who presumably wants all this to go away, then drag his dirty linen through the courts, with all the attendant publicity and scrutiny?

He’s not skint in the sense you mean.

If they can't find enough evidence they won't. If they can they will, that's it.

It was all quite a few years ago so how many records he still has is uncertain, if he was taking actual bribes his bank records may be interesting, if it was all favours and freebies it will be more difficult to prove.

The main part of his job was to show up and be charming to important people he had a wealth of experience of doing that.

Quite likely if she was going to write another book and actually name some of the other men she slept with. I'm sure some of them would be pretty dangerous to cross unlike Andrew.

Can someone explain to me? I have assumed AMW was arrested rather than asked to assist with enquiries so the police could remove his devices and gain evidence. I must be wrong as it wasn’t necessary to arrest PM to gain evidence.

He lied publicly about his relationship with a known sex trafficker. Charles did not jump the gun

He might be prosecuted for the sharing of government documents/information. The chances of anything are remote.

As might Mandelson..

AMW almost certainly won’t go to prison. 🤷‍♀️

Why has Mandelson not been arrested? Answers on a postcard to 10 Downing st

It’s just the equivalent of “bringing the company into disrepute” that most people have in their contracts. In this case it’s just The Company.

But no experience of being given access to sensitive government information.

He was a member of the royal family and would have been trained FROM BIRTH on hallow to behave.

I had to sign the official secrets act with no such training and managed not to ever spill state secrets.

tes 100%

Charles sacked him to save himself and preserve the monarchy. He's basically like Paulie turning his back on Jimmy at this point.

He’s already been caught out in so many lies and still associating with someone who had been found guilty - so I don’t think the King has jumped the gun.
also although he is 8th in line, he is one of the four over 21 who would all step in if the king lost capacity to make decisions etc so unless he is kicked out of the line he could end up helping with decisions one day if something happened to the King and that wouldn’t be good because who can even trust him or his lack of moral compass

I wondered why they arrested to get evidence for AMW but not Mandelson so far, the latter having his home searched anyway.

Maybe one was more helpful with the enquiries than the other.

If he's not charged, I think he'll just be made to stay out of the way. The goal for the rest of the RF in that scenario must be for him to become a recluse. He obviously has been very resistant to that, but has less agency now than he did even a couple of years back. Notwithstanding he may still have enough information about skeletons in non-Epstein related closets to make it worth working with him to keep him secure, fed and quiet.

Sorry but I have to point out two important points here:

• The term ‘commit suicide’ is deeply problematic and stems from when suicide was an illegal act. It is deeply stigmatising and is no longer seen as an acceptable term. Instead: ‘end their life’ / ‘took their life’.
• Not true at all that mothers don’t / won’t take their lives. Such myths prevent mothers coming forwards for help and perpetuate myths in the minds of professionals who often overlook women’s risk of suicide by dint of the fact they’re mothers. Leading to catastrophe. The taboo around mothers’ suicidality is unhelpful and harmful.

I think it’s important to remember that the life she had often leads to a disfunctional adulthood. A traumatic past often leads to death by suicide, trauma is damaging.

To say ‘she must have been murdered’ almost undermines the negative impact of the abuse she experienced, imo.

We shouldn’t gloss over the long term consequences of that kind of life.