Electric cars are NOT the future, are they?

[Isometimeswonder]

I am genuinely torn. I need want a new car but really don't want electric.
But so few smaller petrol cars are made now.
I haven't got a place to charge a car at home.
AIBU I should accept electric is the future.
AINBU I should get petrol. (Please recommend a small city car)

LOL - that is literally "I can't because"

You may never have overnight charging in your road. But as EVs become more and more common, there will be more and more places you can charge as part of your normal everyday.

Now, you may still never ever take advantage of that, "because". But I bet plenty of your neighbours will, and then they'll enjoy advantages that you do not.

And that won't be "not fair", it will just be because they were able to see possibilities where you could not.

Ok. Say you were asking me to do unaided flight.
I could say ‘yes! I can if I get some really good wings!’ And the;I’d die when I jumped off the cliff.
Or I could say ‘I can if science manages to workout how to fit functional wings to a human’
Is the second response unreasonable and obstructive? Or just sensible and reasoned? Not all things are possible.

Edit yet another person who knows more about where I live than I do. There will not be enough chargers near me. Ever. Too many houses. Not enough space.

No, others have told you that extrapolating "cardibach can't do it because - oh my street, my hobbies, my preferred car use pattern" isn't an argument that really applies outside you.

There will be more chargers in the near future. Maybe not on your street, but easily integrated into your everyday driving if you want to.

When people are giving examples of other streets that seem like yours where the problems have been solved, they are not telling you the problems with your specific street do not exist today, they are telling you the problems with your specific street also exist in other places where they have be solved or are being solved.

You are the one taking that as someone telling you you are wrong about your own street.

What someone is actually telling you is that you are wrong about what can change.

You have no idea about my life or housing. I am saying about me because that’s what I know - I am in no way unusual. Many, many other people will face the same barriers.
But you think you know better than everyone who lives those lives. It’s so arrogant.

We have no on street chargers nor any possibility of home charge and manage fine,

Well good for you. I can’t. And won’t. If I can have on street charging that works (I can’t) at the same price as home chargers (I can’t) then I might consider it. If it becomes legally enforced it will be a travesty.

It’s a “travesty” at the moment with air pollution that damages health and noise. You just see that as “normal” but it shouldn’t be.

The thread is about the future!

Things are and will improve
Nevertheless
It definately won’t be possible because there are too many cars crammed into our terraced streets
People who live in flats with no parking etc
If a street, for example, has marked bays cars, vans and larger vehicles still wouldn’t or couldn’t fit within them
So even with one charger per bay some people will still need to use other infrastructure
As people do at the moment at petrol stations

Then of course anyone who travels long distances for work will have to do the same aswell.

But "‘I can if science manages to workout how" is not in fact what you were saying though was it? What you said was "6 impossible things". "I can't because"

And also that @cardibach may be in a situation that becomes statistically more and more rare, and even if 5-10% of the population stays in that situation, that doesn't mean that a more environmentally friendly future isn't happening, it just means that statistical outliers exist.

I agree home charging would be amazing but for most of us city dwellers it’s not possible. But with longer range batteries faster charging and more public charging points not having home charging shouldn’t be a barrier to getting an ev. You don’t expect to fill up your ice car at home. People’s expectations of home charging are too high imo. That’s for the lucky few with drives / rural dwellers.

You think it’s possible for science to do that? Before 2030, for example?

It’s entrenching privilege. Those with drives can always charge at home and always cheaply. I’m not ok with that. And not just because I’m one of those who can’t.
@JuliettaCaeser its the inequality which shouldn’t be normal.

And the cost? You’re ok with the better off paying less?

I bet the proportion of terrace and flat with no parking space accommodation is more than 10%

That’s life though isn’t it! We need to be positive and find solutions. Happy not to have a drive as I would rather live in a city with more going on. That’s my choice.

We know now how damaging ice cars are so we can’t all go on using them with our fingers in our ears - however much we would like to. I was also resistant initially DH pushed for the ev and have to admit he was right. I do a lot of town driving and sitting there in my diesel car pumping out fumes felt wrong.

Yes indeed. Solutions would be great! All I’m seeing is ‘I’m alright I have a drive, suck it up you pleb’ though.

You think what you see today can never change, even when people are telling you they have faced the same thing and it has changed.

Yes, it is so arrogant.

I’m hiding this thread now. Fed up of being called a paid shill, selfish, obstructive etc etc.
Im right though. The government won’t be able to move this forward until they address my points. You all just enjoy a love in about how selfless you all are and don’t worry about practicalities. It’s fine.

People can read the thread you know.

They can see for themselves that the only person who used the word "pleb" was you.

That far from "I'm alright, I have a drive", several people including me have told you we don't have drives but nevertheless we don't really have a problem charging.

That you do not see yourself making those same adjustments - and they are not even compromises, just adjustments to get the same outcome a different way - as they become available in your town as well is down to you.

It's not a "love in", it's just some people sharing our own experiences that are different to yours, because our experiences show that what you feel today is an insurmountable barrier is likely to go away with time, or even with simply an adjustment in habits.

Would you prefer that we nodded and agreed you are right even though our own experiences are different to yours?

Life is easier for the rich - that's kind of the point. Capitalism 101.

If you can get a mortage and buy a house, your lifetime housing costs are cheaper.

If you can save an emergency fund instead of borrowing, you pay less for the same emergency.

If you can buy a car outright instead of leasing or finance, you pay less for the same car.

If you have off street parking your insurance costs are lower for the same car.

I'm not saying it's right, but it's hardly an issue that is specific to EV charging.

Ah, so you acknowledge despite your little flight example, when it comes to EVs you were indeed saying "I can't because". Thank you.

https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/24705560.colchester-man-speaks-councils-electric-vehicles-chargers/

https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/25248891.my-ev-charging-point-driveway-row-platform-housing/

Once again. Its not cheaper for those who are better off
I have paid for solar panels and batteries. And also am paying tax to help those without these facilities get access...
And I am ok with that...