Are you now more likely to vote for REFORM (the party)

[Decisiondecisions]

NC for this and apologies if Q already asked. My quick search yielded no result.

Reform plan to undo the reversal of 2 child cap benefit. Are you now likely (or more likely) to vote for them? There have been endless threads about the welfare bill.

Reform candidate Matt Goodwin is accused of sexual harrassment at GB News,

Nigel Farage says "That's just Matt being Matt."

I think the "they were over 17" thing partly comes from the fact some commentators (Meghan Kelly etc) kept referring to most of the victims being "barely legal" or "a year underage". Which gives the impression most of the victims were 17. But the age of consent in the Virgin Islands where a lot of the abuse happened is 14. So what they are actually saying is that most of the victims were at least 13 or 14. And some were younger. Exactly the same age range as the child grooming gangs.
The deliberate lying from people like MK and the amount of people happy to unquestioningly perpetuate it is very sinister.

Pretty sure babies were abused on Epstein Island if you read some of the comments on one of the Prince Andrew threads

If you think taking money from people on UC gives them an incentive to get a job - maybe you've never been on it. Both times I was on UC and the bare bones of it - ranging from 317 to 400 quid a month I ended up suffering from depression. I'm not in the situation where I have kids so the two child cap doesn't apply to me but being on UC isn't the easy ride for a lot of people that folk think it is

It took hundreds of job applications for me to get a job offer that wasn't just zero hours which I was doing - one that I then couldn't take - and I'm very well qualified.

The poor, the sick, refugees, the disabled - asylum seekers all seem to be in the firing line of more than one party - not just Reform

Quite possibly. However, even if you only limit the discussion to the survivors that have come forward, you are still talking about children. There is of course the further problem that to come forward as a survivor you have to have... survived.

On the topic of grooming gangs, one thing I find super dark is how cases like Cyntoia Brown are just... Accepted in the US. It is a really good thing that she was granted clemency for murder, but the wider discussion still feels a bit like "these things just happen". There is a huge problem in the US of particularly African American girls being seen as older/more streetwise/more capable of consent than they are. And the same pattern of underage, usually vulnerable, teenage girls being groomed into sex work by their boyfriends. It's almost a running joke/stereotype about "ghetto" female behaviour. And it's seen as them choosing their lifestyle. Basically I think attitudes towards grooming in America are about 25 years behind attitudes towards grooming in the UK but none of the US commentators who talk about the UK grooming scandal really care. Because the perpetrators aren't Muslim. And they view the girls the same way that the UK authorities viewed white working class girls.

This isn't relevant to Reform of course. Except that many of Farage's backers are from those same US right wing circles and he is often talking partly to them in his messaging. Within the UK I want us to focus on UK CSE because that's what we can fix (can't do much about American law). But I think US people focusing on bad things Muslims have done in the UK makes it easier for them to ignore bad things happening in America. And given the amount of politicians/public figures caught with prostitutes over the years maybe that's deliberate.

Nope. Hell would freeze over first.

I also think it's relevant to say that a lot of parties make promises pre election and don't follow through. Someone else said earlier in the thread that people will vote for Reform. I'm sure they will - but when people are disillusioned with other parties - they'll vote for people who promise them things.

I completely expect to see Reform MSPs in the Scottish parliament in May because they'll pick up votes from ex Tory voters. However looking at the way they run their councils down south I don't really have much faith

Reform politicians in the Scottish Parliament (and Senedd) while depressing, would at least show voters exactly what to expect if Reform managed to win a GE. Could be a good early warning system.

Oh I'm all for equality of opportunity, it's just the equality of outcome that I'm against.

Yes not everyone gets the same start in life, some are born prettier, some are born to intelligent parents, some are born to parents that read to them every night, some are born to sporty parents and yes some are born to poor and some are born to wealthy parents.

This has been and will always be the case and different people have different advantages that they play to.

The left doesn't want to level the playing field it wants to tilt it through either DEI to artificially create equality of outcome.

For example 4% of the UK population is black and 82% are white, yet 56% of the England football team is black. Are you in favour of artificially tilting the playing field in favour of white football players? Or is it that the England football team simply selects on who is good at football and not skin colour?

All politicians make promises that they never deliver on whether that is deliberately or through facing reality.

If politicians never made false promises then no one would ever vote for them and they would always be political candidates and never elected politicians.

In this regard Reform are no different to any other political party.

You are pretty sure babies were abused on Epstein's island based on what evidence?

Your gut feel or simply a sensationalist desire?

Don't talk to me again. It's public knowledge. I repeat. Go away.

It's not public knowledge and there is no evidence of babies being abused on Epstein's island.

You just made that up. If you disagree with me please provide links to the evidence.

Totally agree, they're swaying me!

I wouldn't vote for reform even if someone had a gun to my head if I didn't. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. I'd rather gauge my own eyeballs out and eat my own shit. Is that good enough for you OP?

I did not make it up. It's been discussed at length on one of the Prince Andrew threads. You stay away from me - you have crossed a line! Don't you dare call me a liar when it's being discussed at length all over these boards

Ok - if your motivation is not sensationalism then why would you post something that has no evidence to back it up?

What was your motivation. My motivation is facts and the truth and shooting down conspiracy theories. Regardless of how deeply abhorrent Epstein was, the truth still matters.

Restore is swaying you? They are openly racist

I know in the last few days pictures have emerged linked to the epsiten flies of Andrew playing with a toddler with a breast shaped ball and others of him looking very close to the child (not seen anything to add context but enough to make most people feel uncomfy I would imagine)

I repeat. Go away. I'm not your servant and it's being openly discussed on these boards what happened on Epstein Island - you go find it if you want to read it. Google is your friend!

They are scum

It's apparently Edwards child - I don't think that is any huge issue. Just people desperate to latch onto something

There are conspiracy theories discussed at length on the internet that Epstein and Woody Allen were engaged in cannibalism - but it doesn't make it true.

That's how conspiracy theories work- Epstein was guilty of child sex abuse. But now for conspiracy theorists that is no longer "enough" - so conspiracy theories of abuse of babies or cannibalism start, all with no evidence to back them up.

https://news.miami.edu/stories/2019/08/conspiracy-theories-envelop-epstein-death.html

Sorry it's an open forum. If you post or repeat misinformation then I will continue to call it out and will not simply "go away" because you don't like it.