Are you now more likely to vote for REFORM (the party)

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NC for this and apologies if Q already asked. My quick search yielded no result.

Reform plan to undo the reversal of 2 child cap benefit. Are you now likely (or more likely) to vote for them? There have been endless threads about the welfare bill.

Absolutely not. Farage is full of hot air. There is not one policy they could suggest that would change my mind. Friends would think something was seriously wrong health wise if I announced I was voting reform.

No. If it was part of their policy to give me a million £ I still wouldn’t vote for them.

Let's remember that the two child cap made women have to declare that they had been raped to conceive a child to get money for a third child.

Sorry but well done to the SNP for having the balls to say they were going to lift it which put pressure on labour to do the same

I would drop dead before I voted reform.

The only good thing as far as I'm concerned is that the vote will be split between them and restore Britain and they can then hopefully disappear up their own backsides

Lowe is even more odious than Farage as far as I'm concerned

Now all the hard right Tory’s have shifted out to reform

The Tory party would be a better prospect than before, not that I usually vote Tory. It’s working like a glycerin suppository and could help the Tory party improve

@MikeRafonedo you not think they would shift back in an instant when they get a smell of power? That’s what they are chasing.

No, never.

shift back to what?

@MikeRafoneare you a bit thick? The Tories!

@GeneralPeter as you're more likely to vote Reform becausr of a more 'sensible' looking repackaged Tory, I'll just hit you with some real time nuggets from local councils. In Notts they recently spent £75000 on flags. In Leics they have spent millions on a waste consultant. The policy on the 2 child benefit cap will apparently mean they are offering cheaper pints rather than saving lots of money. Cheaper pints vs food/clothing/heating for kids. Please don't be swayed by this rubbish.

Yes that’s one of my major worries about Reform. There are some bits of policy I like, but I doubt they will be able to deliver competent government. At central level more concerning to me than local.

I’m pretty close to being a single-issue voter on economic growth at this point. I was very hopeful that Starmer would do it but they have been dismal.

Though actually your examples aren’t really of incompetence but of different priorities. I don’t really want £75k spent on flags any more than I wanted millions spent on different flags by other parties. But mainly I want us to stop rearranging deckchairs and focus on fixing the fundamental broken growth engine. Then we can debate how to distribute the prosperity and what colour to paint it.

Absolutely not. I can’t understand why anyone would vote for them unless they are just filled with hatred for anyone who isn’t white. Their beliefs and policies would be awful and harmful for our country.

@GeneralPeterhow is spending £75000 on flags NOT about incompetence when Reform are always banging on about how strapped for cash the country is? If you don't have money for the basics and are making cuts because of it, don't spend it on things that arent needed.

I'd rather choose thick than deliberately rude

Because competent people can have different priorities.

Many councils have spent a lot of money on identity-branding things like flags, rainbow crossings, etc. I don’t think incompetence is the right word for that: it’s a different set of political priorities driven from a different world view.

It’s like: if a family that’s short of cash spends money on taking the children to the cinema, is that “incompetent” parenting? Cinema isn’t a ‘basic’.

Maybe they are incompetent parents but knowing they bought cinema tickets isn’t enough to convict them. Especially if other similarly-situated parents are doing the same and don’t get called incompetent for it.

@GeneralPeterin that same county they are planning on making huge cuts to social care and childrens services.

Your cinema analogy is wild by the way. That is a small luxury. I would compare it more to a poor family saying sod it, let's book a cruise instead of paying for lunches for the next year.

As someone with three children and concerned about the record levels of immigration over the years this could put me off but long term safety of my children has to be prioritised.
Afghanistan has just legalised wife beating and anyone who thinks it’s a good idea to let thousands of men from places like that move here is an idiot

It’s strange how the vast majority of people (online and in RL) say they would never vote Reform.

And, yet, Reform seem to be leading in every poll everywhere. 🤷‍♀️

I wouldn’t vote for them ever.

Reform are not prefect but their whole gimmick is to cut down immigration in a way labour and Tory failed to do.
In Afghanistan women can be beaten by their husbands, can’t study, can’t become doctors and also cant see male doctors so they basically get no medical care.
Thousands of men from Afghanistan and similar countries have moved here under labour and Tory, any intelligent educated woman would at least want to try something new rather than let the status quo continue

You didn't even answer the question!! And you are calling random ppl on the internet thick??

@Moonshadowmoon🤣🤣 and yet you are voting for a party that the white males in it wants to tell all young women to get on and reproduce. You can’t see the irony in what you are actually saying!

How much were these huge cuts to social care and children’s services? £75k?

Nottinghamshire council budget: £668m. Planned cost cuts across the full budget £44m.

In that context, £75k on flags may be unnecessary but it’s much closer to my cinema ticket analogy than your one of going on a family cruise instead of lunches for a year.

It’s 0.011% of the budget of 0.2% of the cuts amount.

You’re talking to someone that did become a mother at 16 🤷🏼‍♀️ not that I think everyone should live their life like me but this is far different to in Afghanistan where child marriage at age 12 is normal, wife beating is legal and women cannot see male doctors or become doctors themselves.

Think about how your life would be if you were a woman in Afghanistan, still think it’s a good idea to let millions of men who think that way move here?

@Moonshadowmoon Reform want to get rid of equality legislation that would see gender roles go back to the 50s. They also think women should be having more children. They want white men to have dominance over womenm