Limiting MH support to certain cultural areas?

[Mindcultural]

I have today received this message below from a mental health support service for young people.

AIBU to think it’s completely wrong to offer support based on cultural diversity and would like to know how they decide who fits this criteria?

Hi,

I’m getting touch as you have recently made a referral to our Youth In Mind services on behalf of a child or young person.

Unfortunately, we are having to reduce the size of the team for funding reasons, so we now only have funding to support young people from culturally diverse communities, if this is relevant for the individual you referred to us, please can I ask that you complete this form forms.office.com and we will be back in touch accordingly.

If we are now no longer able to offer support to the individual you have made a referral for, please accept our apologies for this. Please feel free to keep an eye on our website for updated information regarding available services as we are always looking for new funding opportunities to allow us to reach more children and young people.

And we as charitable givers can choose which charities to fund too. My goodness I had no idea Mind were so unethical. Never getting a penny of my money again. Thanks for this thread OP. Really useful to know.

Where is your ethical concern when it comes to systemic inequality and poorer health outcomes for certain ethnic groups?

Yes Thankyou op it is really useful to know.

Suspect you donate next to nothing anyway. They won’t care

No, but I'd expect a charity to take funding to run a specific project to support mothers with PND, or refugee children, or young carers.
Even if they don't also get funded or commissioned to run specific projects for other groups.

And yet that is the experience of a sizable portion of the population. It is just done by stealth.

Its not racist stereotyping to have regard for the statistics about mental ill health in particular communities within the UK…it is problematic to demand charities bend to your will when money has been given to them for specific purposes though…because the majority race demand it…which seems to be your argument = racism

My goodness can you imagine if they only supported white British children! Everyone would be up in arms about how discriminatory it was! No one should be discriminated against based on their cultural background when it comes to receiving support.

well, you asked about proof. Several posters gave you the links. But you still insist it's not true?

Autistic girls network should help autistic girls. Mind - a mental health charity - should help people with mental health issues. If they said it was a mental health charity for BAME kids we’d know where we stand, but they don’t say that. They make out it’s for everyone and are happy to take funding that discriminates against one race.

…..and EXACTLY why specialist services are needed for culturally diverse communities 🤦‍♀️

Anyway the funders for this project decide OP they set the criteria and they are not public bodies

That poorer health outcomes for white people (due to banning them from accessing services) isn't a sensible way to level the playing field?

They will care when it becomes widely known and a whole section of society are alienated from donating to them.

They aren’t. The evidence for descrimation is that it operates against culturally diverse communities which is WHY this particular project exists

I think most people already realise there are grants that fund different types of charity work?

It is. You’re not looking at the information provided by the patient, but looking at the statistical chances of x, y, z instead. As I’ve said before, if Mind had any ethics they’d tell the funder that their funding conditions were immoral.

What are you talking about?

This is the Leeds local branch of Mind. The OP has referred a young person to ONE project that they run - they have lots of other projects that support other groups, including a project that supports EVERYONE over 18.

I think most of us thought it would be based on need not race. How naive we were!

The charity has an obligation to support all children and should move money from other areas to ensure all children can be catered for. I’ve had to rely on charities, I can’t imagine how devastating it must be to be struggling with a very ill child and having the door to your only chance of help openly and firmly slammed in your face.

You might want to look into the difference between equity and equality.

And where exactly are they supposed to move the money from? The magical money tree? They get money through grants. They bid for the grants out there and win the ones they win. They cannot take money given for one grant to fund out of scope activities. Its not a hard concept.

I am aware of it. Bullshit semantics to justify discrimination. I'm not buying it.

Didn’t realise that grants could discriminate according to skin colour and some charities are too weak to stand up to it.

Wow that is some of the worst deliberate misquoting I’ve seen on MN. Here is the actual situation:

Black children are 10 times more likely to be referred to CAMHS via social services and youth justice teams rather than through the GP compared with White British children

The “stark” discrimination and inequalities Black and minority ethnic adults face in mental health service are reproduced in children’s services, the review of race inequalities in healthcare concluded.

The Rapid Race Review called for critical action from NHS England and NHS Digital to address the discrimination.

Evidence reviewed by the team showed Black people and other minority ethnic groups face harsher treatment, including being more likely restrained in a prone position or put in seclusion when detained on psychiatric wards.

People from Black and other ethnic groups were also less likely to seek help from mental health services for fear of discriminatory treatment. And their GP is less likely to refer them for psychological therapies.

Discrimination is mirrored in children’s mental health services.