Unfriending right wing friends

[nondrinker1985]

One of my school mum friends of around 10 years has started sharing loads of Restore Britain/Rupert Lowe posts.

I’m actually really shocked as she’s an Irish immigrant herself.

I’ve unfriended her which is a shame as day to day she’s ok. Also another mum who has been liking and commenting on the Restore Britain posts, they’ll probably tell me they’re not racist but I can’t be arsed calling them out.

Also The UAE has cut financial support to students wanting to come to the UK to study, for fear of them being radicalised here by Islamic extremists.

This is very much a boiled frog scenario at this point, only this time the frog has the benefit of lots of people telling it that the water is boiling. Instead of listening, the frog calls vehemently denies that its happening and calls you a Nazi.

Well.. the elections speak for themselves! So I think your comment is a worthless turn of phrase 🙃

They’ve banned the Muslim brotherhood and have warned us time and again to do the same.

Tricky one for us isn't it, we've permitted so much immigration that certain parties are now totally dependent on securing and retaining The Muslim Vote. Which is something else that was strenuously denied on MN recently. Its racist to say that Muslims in this country vote as a bloc and its not true apparently. Well, Labour are in trouble with the Electoral Commission for holding a banquet for the Muslim community in Gorton and Denton and giving out free food in exchange for votes. "Hold up your signs if you want to get fed" was the cry ahead of the photo op. But its not happening. Even though it's now got a fucking website which tells you in no uncertain terms that it is most definitely happening.

I don’t need to unfriend. They seem to work themselves into a Reformy froth and unfriend me thus relieving me of the task.

you're talking as if Reform/Restore type parties are somehow going to be able to 'fix' the problems you highlighted. On what basis do you think this?

No, I am responding to points you presented as if they were ‘bad things’ Reform are doing and asking you questions about them (which you haven’t answered).

And how would you define 'undeserving or unnecessary payouts', out of interest?

Just what I say. Benefits should be a safety net not a disincentive to work which is becoming a bit of a problem.

Observation.

@dreamiesformollydo you really not see that exponential welfare bill is unsustainable? Do you really think that we don’t have a problem with economic migrants in the UK entering without visas?

These aren’t far right views. They’re not even right wing views. They’re the views of ordinary centrist-voting UK citizens. Labours failure to address these issues are driving centrists ever further to the right wing parties that will. That’s why Reform has risen in popularity.

You know what’s really perverse are those shouting about women’s rights whilst applauding Labour & criticising reform. Jess Phillips just about scraping through a victory talked about the harassment & misogyny her staff endured whilst canvassing & when asked to elaborate on who was doing it she refused to say obviously not wanting to upset her major & most important voting base to then be given a role of women safety and voting down a grooming gang inquiry & then getting accused of trying to water it down where victims where quitting in large numbers. To having a pm who couldn’t even tell you what a woman is & the issue is other parties. To have people on here telling us where the problem is without providing any reason for the worry. instead calling you names & making out we have faux outrage 🤣

Quite. I think the extent of this issue is far more serious than we realise.

Apparently 80% of Muslims voted for Labour in the last election. That is either a ‘block’ - or just a wild coincidence?

It certainly gives them great power over the Labour Party if they made up nearly 1/3 of Labours total vote.

Recent events make the decision to allow mosques to be polling stations very bad for democracy. The terrorist attacks and threats against Jews make it very unlikely for a Jew ti feel safe walking into a mosque to vote.

I am aware that other places of worship are used as polling stations but as far as I’m aware, no members of those religions have recently carried out terror attacks or have been caught planning further terror attacks on any other group.

What elections, you mean the last one? Well I hope you're not relying on the next one!!

Look at countries that have recently become majority Muslim. Look at how that happened. Thats how it happens.

Again the racist bigots won’t win! They never have and never will 😊

You asked for proof and it seems you are living in la la land not knowing who is ruling your own country. Fortunately, the people you support won’t ever win, so yes I am relying on the next one. So maybe cry a river or even two?! Have good evening and life 👋🏻

So more dramatic triggered overkill language. Luckily none of that applies to voting legitimate governments in.

I refer you to my previous post.

Wasn't Brexit because of racist bigots? All we've heard from the left for nearly 10 years now is that we left the EU because of racist bigots, so they won the most important referendum of your lifetime didn't they?

Brexit actually meant EU and non-EU migration was treated fairly and equally. Non-EU migration skyrocketed after.

That's not a rebuttal to my post, was it meant to be?

No sorry.

I think you meant before Brexit there? Not Brexit itself.

Boris opened the doors to non EU migration as a deliberate policy.

Yeah, I think people are in denial.

First Brexit, then Trump winning twice, now Reform leading the polls. ICE are literally executing lefties!

I'm fine with the first two. We can and do have our own domestic laws to prevent torture in this country. We don't need to be beholden to a foreign courts.

What's to stop Reform, or any party for that matter, revoking those laws if they get in? Where would we be then?

Benefits should be limited. Who has a right to live off the taxpayer.

Where in your opinion should the limits be imposed?

Judicial overreach should be limited and government should be allowed to conduct its business.

Even if said goverment is corrupt/not acting in the best interest of its people? You seriously think that if Reform get in they're going to give a shit about ordinary people?

Any party can revoke any law. And international law is effectively voluntary anyway if a country is ok with the repercussions such as sanctions etc. If we started torturing people as a country theres not a vast amount international law can do to stop it anyway. Its just unlikely to happen in the UK because we wrote most of the international law in the first place to curb the bad impulses of other countries. Not us.

Where did I say it was sustainable, or that unchecked immigration wasn't a problem? Nowhere, because that's not what I think.

My argument is that the policies and ethos being proposed by parties like Reform and Restore are potentially dangerous. I've expanded on some of the reasons for my opinion elsewhere on the thread. If from that you've drawn the inference that I think things are hunky dory as they are right now, you're mistaken. I just think we need to be very careful about trusting anyone that claims to have some sort of magic pill to 'fix' Britain.