Unfriending right wing friends

[nondrinker1985]

One of my school mum friends of around 10 years has started sharing loads of Restore Britain/Rupert Lowe posts.

I’m actually really shocked as she’s an Irish immigrant herself.

I’ve unfriended her which is a shame as day to day she’s ok. Also another mum who has been liking and commenting on the Restore Britain posts, they’ll probably tell me they’re not racist but I can’t be arsed calling them out.

Err... well, how about:

• repealing the Human Rights Act;
• withdrawing from the ECHR;
• proposals for benefit cuts that could impact the vulnerable;
• not to mention their suggestion of limiting the role of the courts in overruling government decisions?

That's four right off the top of my head. What a strange question.

All of them according to lefties. We will be stripped back to handmaiden tale territory. Reform aren't proposing to remove civil liberties but refine them. They certainly do need requirement with liberties such as freedom of assembly.

Why?

Try putting forward some clear reasons why our fears are misdirected. I would genuinely love to be wrong.

I’m going to stick my neck out and say they are going to be better on those things than the Islamists. Just a hunch though.

Nobody in Reform has threatened to behead a political rival - let’s start with the basics.

I'm fine with the first two. We can and do have our own domestic laws to prevent torture in this country. We don't need to be beholden to a foreign courts.

Benefits should be limited. Who has a right to live off the taxpayer.

Judicial overreach should be limited and government should be allowed to conduct its business.

They are mostly terrified of being called racist. And letting us sleepwalk into disaster as a result.

Your comment about GCSE history was also 'a little rude', so I guess we're quits now. And I don't care whether or not you 'pander' to me, but what I haven't seen anywhere in your posts is any kind of convincing argument as to why parties like Reform and Restore represent a better option.

I do agree that 'Nazi' is used too freely now, but imo it would be a big mistake to let that blind us to the fact that history can and does repeat itself. And judging by a lot of the vitriol I've read around Mumsnet in the past year or so, it's not as remote a possibility as people might think.

Do you think the Human Right Act and ECHR are currently working as they should or are they being weaponised by ‘human rights’ lawyers to prevent us deporting violent criminals?

Our benefits bill is out of control and unsustainable in the long term. It is essential for any government to get the right support to those who need and ensuring that money isn’t wasted in undeserving or unnecessary payouts or payouts to non British nationals tho haven’t paid into the system.

You are aware that our current government has proposed quite drastic cuts to unemployment and disability benefits to the tune of billions?

not to mention their suggestion of limiting the role of the courts in overruling government decisions?

can you link to their proposals on this and explain the pros and cons as you see them?

Quick question - what is so right wing about Jordan Peterson, he always struck me as a classical liberal

Whats wrong with GCSE history? That's where most people learn about the Nazis? We aren't "quits" at all! I haven't called you disingenuous.

I havent made any comment to you whether Restore or Reform are a better option. I said that our current government's actions are perhaps more like the Nazis than Reform's are (although of course Reform aren't actually in governement). Or the Republican administration's. For the reasons specified in the post I referred you.

I do agree that 'Nazi' is used too freely now, but imo it would be a big mistake to let that blind us to the fact that history can and does repeat itself.

Agreed. A very interesting man who was a cultural advisor to the British Army in Afghanistan aiming to minimise unnecessary conflict between army and locals talked about exactly this today. He’s called Nation of Sleepers on Facebook - look him up and see what he has to say.

He explains the history of violent Muslim conquest across the Middle East and Europe and points to countries like Egypt and Lebanon that have recently unwillingly found themselves with a Muslim majority. The left wing /socialists helped the Islamists overthrow the Iranian Shah and were disposed of (executed) fairly promptly after the revolution as they had served their purpose.

Zack Polanski is currently recreating history in Gorton by courting the Muslim/Islamist/pro Palestine vote. His pro homosexual, Jewish views are completely opposed to the Muslim values but he is a useful idiot and I guess they like his ‘no borders’ approach. If he gains power for them he will be ditched pretty quickly imo.

I think stating facts, supporting free speech and knowing what a woman is constitutes ‘right wing’ for many these days.

That's concerning.

It's all right there in the manifesto if you pay attention to how things are worded.

And re your other points - like other pps, you're talking as if Reform/Restore type parties are somehow going to be able to 'fix' the problems you highlighted. On what basis do you think this?

And how would you define 'undeserving or unnecessary payouts', out of interest?

What are you basing this conjecture on?

Yeah, I read them. I disagree.

With what? The facts that I listed of what Labour have done?

Or that cancelling elections, two tier justice, attacks on journalists, tolerance of persecution of Jews and pandering to one specific religious (substitute ethnic) group over all others didnt happen under the Nazi regime too?

And those actual actions resonates a bit more than whatever Reform have verbally said about what they may have in their manifesto in 2029? Come on. You're the one who allegedly studied the Nazis to degree level!

I disagree that 'our current government's actions are perhaps more like the Nazis than Reform's are', obviously with the proviso as you said that Reform aren't in government so we can't make a definitive statement on that.

There's plenty of cause to think things would be much, much worse under Reform.

Such as? What have they actually said that makes you state that so confidentially. And that enables you to so easily to dismiss the authoritarian nature of this current government?

Did you actually study politics when you studied German history? What sort of mechanisms are essential in a democratic state in your view? Id suggest elections amd equality before the law are pretty high on the list but perhaps you disagree.

Give examples, I did. Like the convicted terrorist that is now running for a Birmingham seat, like the mosque that banned women from joining in an organised run, how sharia law courts work, how a teacher is in hiding in this country for showing an image of Muhammad, how a mom sitting next to police chiefs had to apologise to the Muslim community because her autistic son accidentally scuffed the Quran, how protests happen outside schools when they try and teach lgbtq lessons. Give an example that reform/restore are worse than the shit we’re already dealing with & will become more widespread.

dreamieformollie knows nothing. She’s ideologically captured and can’t even give 1 example of a simple question to mine how one threat is more dangerous than the other. I gave up giving my examples after reeling about 6.

Ideologically captured, oh my goodness. 😄Just because I don't feel it's incumbent upon me to write an essay to appease internet randoms displaying zero openness to other people's perspectives.

Who do you think you are? I don't have to prove anything to you. I was already struggling to take you seriously and you just took it over the line with your 'ideologically captured.' 😂

Bye, enjoy the rest of the thread. Just know that some of us on here can see your faux concern (and that of some others on the thread) for the future of this country for exactly what it is.

Brilliant!!

🤣🤣 straight back at you. How entitled you have to be to think just your say so is enough to make your argument valid.

as for appeasing internet randoms you’re not above trying to debate them with little to no arguments. Faux concern you may think it to be but having listed why i have them I’m still more genuine than you. Faux concern is exactly what you’re spewing.

Yes thats all very well but you still haven't provided any examples to back up your claims? How can we judge the truth (or otherwise) of what you have been saying?