People who park in child and parent spaces when they don't have kids.

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Does this annoy anyone else? I personally don't care about the distance from the shop but I need the room to get my kids out of the car. And when I say when they don't have kids I mean they don't have them with them or a disabled badge or anything. Where I am from it happens so regularly. It makes me so mad 🙈😂

Oh bore off.

Your argument is redundant, Disability bays a legal requirement, P&C bays are not.

No one is going to treat P&C bays like Disabled bays just because you say so.

In fact, your attitude is likely to annoy people and make more people park in P&C bays.

Jesus it’s like people can’t read. You’ve misunderstood what I’m saying. Feel free to reread. No wonder idiots use the spaces because in their opinion they are just as justified in using them (even though they are specifically designated, I’m not sure why whether it being illegal or not is the point).

It might be annoying but these spaces are concessionary, by shops, and not enforceable. So you can’t force anyone not to fo it.

Stop the insults, they’re not helping you.

Go and re-read what you wrote, you said ‘it’s my opinion that people should respect P&C spaces as if they are a legal requirement’.

That is not going to happen because they’re not a legal requirement.

Stop riding off the back of Disabled people and their carers, we fight hard for these easements.

Legal requirement or not you can absolutely be fined by the private parking company for parking in them without a child :)

I find the concept of being annoyed by this bizzare. I do have kids. I sometimes part in parent and child. I sometimes park in normal. Regardless whether I have the kids with me or not. Depends on where I am and how well I know the car park. Depends on time of day. Depends on weather. Depends who’s with me, if anyone is. But quite frankly I parked where I want to park and couldn’t give a toss if I “should” be parking there or not.

I see the P&C spaces as a nice little treat if I get the chance to nab one (with my DC!), but you have to assume that they won’t be available.

You originally quoted someone who mentioned their husband struggling to walk due to chemo so used P&C to alleviate some of that struggle- not your typical fully able bodied person. A person is entitled to go into a supermarket whether they’re struggling to walk or not ffs. Your post suggested he should just stay at home rather than, god forbid, make it slightly less convenient for a parent to park.

No acknowledgment that the posters husband might have just wanted to try continue daily life as normal as they could. No acknowledgment that this sounded like a temporary accommodation for the posters husband and not habitual. No acknowledgment that actually someone else’s medical needs do sometimes trump the lifestyle choices of adults who chose to become parents.

Again, if you struggle to get the kids in and out of car….maybe someone else could do the shopping for you or perhaps an online order? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander and all that.

You started the they should be a legal requirement trope, because you said no one would say they would park in a disabled bay.

You compared a legal requirement with something that’s convenient.

I've occasionally used a P&C space if there are lots empty.

I have to open my car door as wide as possible to get out, because I have a totally fucked right knee and arthritis in the left one. On bad days, I can only get out of the car and stand if I can get both feet on the ground, and I need to open the door fully to be able to do that.

I'm not entitled to a blue badge because I can walk 50 metres or whatever it is (and considerably further on a good day) and am (quite rightly) not eligible for a blue badge.

I was circling trying to find a space so I was there a while and it just happened that quite a few were coming or going at the same time.

But then you're walking a small child, possibly multiple small children through a busy car park. And having to navigate pushing a heavier trolley (added weight of child/ children in it) through a busy car park. Ours isn't flat it's all sloped and it's not great for those of us with a bad back. Disaster if you have more kids than hands with you.

I fully agree, but it just annoys me when they are taken by people who could use other bays.

It’s not just mothers that have bad backs though…

Many people don’t qualify for BB but still have mobility issues.

The thing is there are lots of reasons people need extra space or to be closer to the doors. But P and C spaces have made some parents think that they are the only ones who have any sort of need.

The persons having chemo, the person with a broken leg, the person who’s mum has lost mobility all don’t have a blue badge but all have needs which make it harder for them.

Yes some people use it because they are selfish, many others use it simply because they are trying to make their lives that little bit easier on a shit day. Instead of judging just focus on yourself park where there is a space and get on with your day.

My FIL used to do this. One time when XH and I were with him. It was mortifying but completely in character for him.

It now makes me chuckle every time these threads come up. In addition, he is now dead so don’t blame the messenger.

You have misunderstood my comments. People outright lying about having a disability/blue badge and not having it with them is what is nasty. Caring for someone who needs a blue badge but because of some red tape doesn’t have one is not the issue. I care for elderly frail relatives too and understand just how difficult these issues are getting them to places. You and your Mum aren’t the issue here. It’s people selfishly using the spaces when they have no genuine reason to that is the problem.

"I’m not the one complaining that I’m incapable of walking 10m to the door so simply must park in a P&C space as a lone adult but somehow can mooch around the ginormous super store just fine."

My husband didn't "mooch around a ginormous superstore". He was getting the things he needed using a trolley to help support him with his walking.

I am sure you will be pleased to know that his cancer treatment has left him with long term physical difficulties that means he is eligible for a blue badge so won't need to use p and c spaces no.w

I think it's worth reiterating that the vast majority of people, parents or not, are completely in support of those with medical or mobility needs using P&C spaces if BB spaces are not available and/or they cannot get a BB badge for whatever reason. If there's a genuine need, nobody has a problem with it. That's not what the issue is.

We use them for dsd because of the complete incompetence of the council, the court of protection and her care agency, she requires 2:1 care and the door to be fully opened to get her in. If there’s no p&c spaces and someone is parked next to us we have to back out into the “road” and block it whilst we get her in, this isn’t quick (you don’t get 2:1 care if you are compliant!) she has ataxia so she can’t walk that easy either. 3 years since blue badge expired and still it’s in progress grrr

I think there's a reason these spaces are protected. It shows society cares for more vulnerable people. If we lose the care, we lose the respect and it becomes a free for all.

Why is it amusing to you? Is it because you find it funny selfish people are stopping people who really need the spaces? Or something else?

Are those people also lifting small humans in and out of car seats and prams?

Eta: I don't overall have a problem with someone using them if they genuinely need to. But I do have a problem where its just laziness. Where ours are situated at our local supermarket there's actually quite a lot of other parking closer to the other doors that isn't listed as disabled or p+c so also nothing to stop someone from using any of those spaces unless they specifically need a wider door opening. The frequency of single people using them would make me really doubt they are all in genuine need though. Which is why it annoys me.

I have a fused spine. I am eligible to use a disabled toilet (the one with a wheelchair sign).

At times I walk out of the toilet and the looks I get.

Hold on....wrong thread....