What is going on? Epstein

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I keep seeing all over social media (yes I know), that Michael Jackson knew a lot about Epstein and what was going on and that he was set up, also that MJ was actually trying to protect children from the sex trafficking.

Also why the hell aren’t some of these powerful men being arrested? The only person in jail is a woman. It clearly wasn’t only Epstein and Maxwell involved in the abuse of young women and children.

Why the hell is King Charles still protecting his brother and has only made moves to strip him of his titles when it became clear that the scandal wasn’t going away. But Andrew is still living in Royal property and presumably Charles is finding his lifestyle.

Apologies if any of this is incorrect but right now I feel as though there is so much corruption it makes me feel that there are very few people that can be trusted and have no faith in the law.

The rumour that MJ was just trying to protect children is ridiculous.

He mainly set his sights on little boys, whereas, from what I gather, Epstein mainly focused on girls.

And how did MJ pick these kids in the first place? He didn't intercept them as they were on route to the island.

The men will never be arrested, too many people with too much influence are involved, and its like a house of cards, if one goes down they all will, that much influence all protecting each other means nobody will be arrested.

Maxwell has said that she will exonerate Trump if he issues her a pardon, so that's likely to happen as well.

As for Andrew, I imagine he knows a lot about the royal family so they are keeping each other sweet.

None of them will ever answer for their crimes, and I doubt that we will ever know the full extent of what went on either.

Half of what’s out there is just speculation and untruths. The other half is true and people are being protected by some shady wealthy people. How come the Obamas, Clinton’s and Trump haven’t been castigated in public and had investigations into them, never mind the hundreds of others?
now there’s speculation Epstein was murdered we are never going to know the truth

As to Andrew, well at least he has been punished in some way , for someone like him it’s a really big fall. I want to see the other punished

What have the Obamas done?

I have a family member telling me Epstein and co were eating dead babies’ intestinal contents on his yacht. George Bush was raping men. All from Epstein library I’ve been told. I was told to read it all. No thanks.

What would you do if your brother was involved? See him penniless on the streets?

I do think Andrew should tell what he knows, but the prospect of any of these men being brought to justice, even if he does, is vanishingly small.

It's shocking to realise how widespread this was (is, someone must have taken over the empire?), but I'm troubled by the way all the attention is on a Brit who never had any real power, rather than others.

I think the MJ thing is nonsense.

Michael Jackson was clearly a paedophile but don’t think he was in Epsteins circle.

So the full list of names has been released
Prince Phillip, Prince Harry, Pope John Paul and Elvis Presley are on the list.
Editing to say that is according to photos of the list which are on the daily Mail website.
Theresa May and Keir Starmer also there.

If my brother was involved with a paedophile then I most certainly would, yes.

VG was trafficked and was very clear it wasn’t her choice

the list is absurd because they seem to have included anyone mentioned who were long dead. More obfuscation

Yes, the new documentary is really disturbing.

Yuk. That's the argument that meant the Rotherham girls were let down for so long. They knew what they were doing, they liked the attention and gifts/money...

Honestly, how do you think a girl of VG's background ended up at parties frequented by royalty, at 17yo?

Because an elite ring of pedos do actually rule the world. We all owe our local conspiracy theorist a huge apology.

They've only released the non actionable stuff.

I went down a rabbit hole on Facebook and some of the stuff on there makes AMW shagging a 17 year old look positively wholesome. Some of the child torture, cannibalism and devil worshipping allegations are frightening. I hope they’re not true but nothing would surprise me now.

Where have you seen that the Obamas are mentioned? They do not appear in any of the documents, videos or emails released so far.

It's more than sleazy

Epstein by then was widely known to be sex trafficking children. He had served a (laughably small) prison sentence but the fact he was involved in a much wider operation was public knowledge by that time. The men who emailed him joking about sex with women, about women's private parts and made jokes references to Epstein's "spicy" tastes would definitely have known. All of Epstein's power to abuse the women came from his connections. Can you imagine being a trafficked woman and told "I know politicians and royalty and I can make you and your family disappear if you don't cooperate" and then you see him with royalty and politicians who all know about his conviction for sex trafficking...
Even if those people never touched a child themselves (dubious) they are complicit simply by being there. It's not just that they had the chance to do something and didn't. By being around him and the abuse they facilitated it.

Imagine a much more mundane case of a child in an ordinary family being abused by their uncle. Who tells that child "no one will believe you and noone cares anyway". And then you see him abusing the child and the child sees you see him abuse them and you do nothing. Of course you become completely complicit at that point.

And paedophiles are very good at grooming people to accept the unacceptable to be sure. But at a certain point you have to accept those people had agency to act the way they did. And that ability of paedophiles to corrupt those around them is why they should be avoided like the plague/prevented from infiltrating institutions. The people that failed to gatekeep are bad people.

The depressing thing isn't that such a high proportion of men are paedophiles. It's that such a high proportion were apparently happy to turn a blind eye/facilitate child sexual abuse so long as they were given women to sleep with. That's just as bad actually.

And it might not be possible to be prosecute Andrew/Mandleson for that. But it should be possible to prosecute them for misconduct in a public office re the bribes and corruption. So we should do that.

And VG was definitely groomed, abused and sex trafficked by the way. I can't believe people are still trying to throw doubt on that. If people don't understand the mechanics of child grooming and sexual exploitation by now after all the news coverage they will never understand.

Right, the credibility of this takes a dive now because while I despise Theresa May's politics, it seems utterly ludicrous to me that she'd be involved in something like this. Don't believe it. Trouble is there's now all sorts of unverified stuff circulating making it harder to get to the truth and letting the likes of Trump, where there's clear photographic and other evidence of him knowing Epstein and Epstein's tendencies, off the hook.

I took the post you quoted as sarcasm.

If you’re charged with a crime in the United States, you have the right to a speedy trial. In order for prosecutors to win a trial, they have to prove someone’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Prosecutors don’t charge people with crimes that they, the prosecutors, don’t feel they’re able to prove in court. If someone is found not guilty of a crime, that’s it, it’s over. Prosecutors don’t get another chance at trying them for the same crime because of double jeopardy laws.

Once someone in the US is arrested, they have to be either charged or released in a pretty short time period. If prosecutors in the applicable jurisdictions don’t feel they can prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt, not arresting a person is the smart move.

I think that post was joking. But mentioned in the files can mean: "I saw Theresa May is Prime Minister now". As opposed to an email to someone along the lines of "fun seeing you on the island".

May is mentioned in relation to Brexit and specifically in emails from Steve Bannon to Epstein in which Bannon talks about discussing a plot to unseat her with Boris Johnson, Reese Mog and Farage. So Theresa Mays name is there but there isn't any implication she was involved with Epstein at all. Bannon was in direct contact with Epstein on multiple.occassions (also lots of reference to massages etc) so he's seems pretty involved. Farage, Johnson and Reese-Mogg are in the middle - they have a level of guilt by association through that email if you take Bannons assertion he met with them as the truth. So there's 3 different levels of implication there in just one email.

I agree, randomly saying this name or that name is in the files isn't helpful.

What an abhorrent, heartless, careless throwaway comment about trafficked young women. I'm guessing you're male?
There are a number of recent threads on here about the enquiries into grooming gangs. You think this is any different? That rich men should be able to abuse women and it's OK because the women look happy?
In those circles, coercive abuse is common followed by being forced to take drugs so they are addicted and violence if they don't comply. 'Look happy darling or I'll rape you and beat you up'.
I actually feel sick at what you wrote, I hope you're not a parent, you cold, careless excusatory mate of the likes of the former Prince. I'm going away to vomit.

There are people mentioned in the files, without any implications they were involved. E.g. Jeremy Corbyn is there, but only because hes mentioned in emails between Epstein and Mandelson moaning about how much they dislike him (go Jeremy!).

This is all part of the distraction campaign."Oh but the Obama's are in there too". Yes, it's possible they're mentioned, but that doesn't mean they're implicated.

Overall l, I'm getting a very strong impression this whole Epstein charade is there to make us look away from something far more relevant and dangerous to us, ordinary citizens. I'm not one given to conspiracy theories and I refuse to speculate beyond this idea, but I stand my ground that none of this would be getting so much air time if there wasn't something else we are really discouraged from seeing. Like 2007, which was a celebrity car crash before 2008 kicked off.