Scared of growing resentment towards people of colour

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Is anyone else scared there will be a war in the UK? Elon Musk seems to be encouraging it and Donald Trump supports far-right ideas, saying that European countries face civilisational erasure due to immigration. When you've got the rich and powerful like Sir Jim Ratcliffe saying that the UK has been colonised by immigrants, this just stokes people's anger even more against non-white immigrants. More and more white people are growing resentful of non-white people.

I don’t think the Country and civilisation is being erased, that’s a bit of a reach, and “white British folk” are not the only people who pay taxes in the UK.

He's on an anti-Islam campaign and believes the likes of Tommy Robinson who give the impression Britain has fallen to the Muslims.

He owns X so let's it be awash with fake news about Britain being taken over, whites in a minority, people not allowed to say Merry Christmas, Birmingham being under sharia law and so on.

He also paid off Tommys latest court fees. And will probably bung him a few thousand to Tommys latest gofund me where he's claiming he has to leave Britain because ISIS are after him. Not that he really isn't at all Britain for the British and prefers living in Spain because the weather is nicer, the cocaine is cheaper and he can get a full English breakfast with a pint of lager for less than a tenner.

I think Boris Johnson made a tremendous mistake allowing such high levels of immigration in the post-covid years. It was completely predictable that it would provoke a backlash that play into the hands of the far right.

It is quite funny when us immigrants say something like that and you can see the clogs going in the other person's head, trying to process that immigrants don't like immigrants who take a piss.

Edit to add, for ultra confusion say something about immigrants should learn english and try to integrate

Whites becoming the minority in Britain? Have you not heard this? If immigration stays on the same track as it has been, this is what will happen. London is already minority white British. It’s really not that hard to predict.

How would you feel about that?

I really think it’s far, far less about diversity of colour that bothers people, and much more to do with cultural shift. The more you all keep ignoring the fact this is a problem for the majority of people now, the more shocked you’re going to be at the next GE

@Notmycircusnotmyotter A genuine question. How is your country being erased? This the thing I hear the most we are losing our country we are losing our culture. But how ?

I went to London recently and it felt very different to when I lived there in the early 1990s. I Googled the census from 1991 compared to 2021. In 1991 the % of people who identified as White British was 75-80% (as sometimes just White was included). In 2021 it was 36.8%. That is a huge change in 30 years. That is London though, not the whole of the country.

I’m with you OP. I think those that are on here saying that this won’t escalate into anything more haven’t learned any lessons from history.

Exactly.

The likes of Farage and Trump want the normal folk to blame everything wrong with a country on immigrants. They do not wan’t the blame to be on those in power or the ultra rich.

Why are energy companies and supermarkets making record profits whilst bills continue to rise? Is that because of immigrants or greed?

Cuts to the police/schools/NHS whilst the rich friends of our MP’s line their pockets.

I do think there needs to be some control on immigration, of course not everyone can come here and there is a security risk. But immigration is not at fault for most of the countries problems, those is power are!

Divide and conquer, that’s their game

I don’t think it would be a war of ‘whites’ against ‘non-whites’.

More likely to be a microcosm of all the various conflicts around the world played out in small scale, as the country more represents a mini globe.

The ethnic British will be a less relevant minority (as they already are in the main cities).

So? I honestly don’t care how many ‘white British’ people I have around me. I worked in schools where the majority of the student body were non white - nearly all of them will be contributing to society in a positive way. So their parents came here from Somalia? So what? If I’m bleeding out and a non white doctor attends me I’m not going to do a quick ethnicity check am I?

I do think we need to separate in these debates- your ethnicity and culture. They are 2 very different things and it completely muddies the water.

I don’t care about anyone’s DNA. It is just in our bodies, we can’t alter it, we just are who we are.

what is important to me is that people acknowledge that ‘culture’ is country based. Culture comes from generations of people living in the same area, doing similar things determined by climate, resources etc. when people arrive from another place, they should be assimilating into the local culture, not continuing to practice their previous culture as that belongs where they left. Yes culture can shift over time as people bring in new ideas and it is gradual change but the problems we have now are just a sudden change and people not assimilating into the host countries. I say this as a third generation immigrant who has never been to the country of my grandparents, can’t speak the language, doesn’t have any interest in it other that a footnote in my family history. I am 100% British and had to occasionally remind myself that 75% of me has no ties to the UK past 75-odd years ago.

in my head your ethnicity needs to be separated from culture - these things are completely different.

I’m black and I think we need to look at immigration legal or otherwise. But to blame immigration/ immigrants for all the ills of this country is ridiculous. Politicians use it to hide all of the other issues because they have no interest in fixing the root causes. Do you really think Nigel Farage will instantly change this country if he is elected of course he won’t. But his “talk” unfortunately appeals to most because it’s easy to throw around buzz words and phrases that will grab peoples attention I’ll stop the boats etc. I mean I’m still waiting for the 5 billion that Nigel promised the NHS would get from Brexit…

If you mean full on civil war probably not, but there have been times in the past where there has been civil unrest fuelled by issues around race so we could see that again. It isn’t a new phenomenon. What is different now is the global interconnection and speed of information and misinformation which does increase the risk of winding people up. Pp asked what Musk has to do with it, well quite, but it doesn’t seem to stop him trying to insert himself.

Have to admit, it does feel different from 1981.

No teenage boys hiding in my mother's front garden behind the privet hedge on matchdays due to Millwall or Brighton playing the local team, no avoiding the top deck of the bus due to the thick clouds of cigarette smoke, no running like fuck to get away from the National Front cunts because we were a bunch of kids playing together and they didn't like that, no having P-LOVER screamed at you from vans because you were walking home from school with one of your mates, better food, no people bemoaning the end of the Black & White Minstrel Show because that was 'real family entertainment', no constant quotes from Mind Your Language or In Sickness and In Health, less puerile Carry On or Benny Hill style comments, less white dog shit everywhere...

Terrible, innit?

There are concerns around the levels of immigration and the cultural changes which inevitably occur with this. One problem has been/is that any raising of concerns has inevitably branded people racists and so the reasonable majority have been reluctant to openly debate issues/pros/cons as it has been strongly politically incorrect to speak of anything except how important immigration has been for the NHS (and it has been/is)
Reasoned debate about the need for some immigration ...what are acceptable levels of immigration...what to do about illegal immigration...cultural changes etc etc are not encouraged and the result is the media gives most of it's air time to extremists on every side.
Another truth rarely acknowledged/discussed/debated is that prejudice occurs in all cultures represented here ...ask an Indian girl who dare not bring her white English boyfriend home or anyone who can't bring someone from another religion home ...and this can occur across all sectors.
We are multi cultural now ...no going back. Time for more honest debate about what's good about it / What's not so good about it. How we are all responsible for making it work and we must ...for our children's and children's children's sakes.

I was thinking this morning because there is a huge problem with mobile 'phone theft. particularly in London and videos of phone-snatching are constants on X and the like as proof that London is overtaken by criminals and so on.

And it is a problem, i'm not saying it isn't.

But crime changes due to what's going on in society and the changes that happen in society.

One thing that I remember being hugely, hugely reported in the 80s and 90s was muggings and bag-snatchings. Especially of old people. With an accompanying picture of horrific bruising and other injuries as elderly people do bruise and fracture more easily and extensively.

And I wondered why I rarely see that in the news anymore then realised it's because pensions are now paid directly into bank accounts so you don't have Grannys walking home from the post office with a lot of cash in their handbags for opportunistic thieves to grab off them.

In fact, hardly anyone walks around with cash anymore and debit cards aren't as attractive to thieves or easy to use without risks.

But what you do have is plenty of people walking around mindlessly looking at the hundreds of pounds worth of smartphone in their hand which is easy to snatch.

It's just the modern equivalent of bag-snatching. And now there's CCTV virtually everywhere, there are lots of films of it to be broadcast which when collated, make it look like you can't leave your house in London without having your 'phone snatched.

There’s a post at least weekly stating that something will lead to riots with that something being a whole host of stuff.

I live in London, went a school that was multicultural and have generally found immigration to be a really positive thing. I come from second generation white immigrant heritage. My personal experience has skewed my pro immigration stance a bit in the last five years. The area we live in has seen a huge influx of immigrants, from Eastern Europe/Balkans mainly and it’s had a significant impact. I’m not going to draw a direct correlation because I don’t have the stats but criminal gang activity has rocketed, mainly car theft, drug dealing and prostitution. And then anti social behaviour such as parking across pavements or blocking disabled access with cars has also noticeably increased. The area has been diverse for decades but the general atmosphere has changed, and we do have a seismic change on the high street to cafes that cater primarily to male clientele, barber shops and vape shops. There’s streets that are overall mainly these stores, with an overwhelmingly male customer base and as someone who has lived in the area for 30+years there’s definitely stores and cafes I wouldn’t as a woman feel ok trying to get service at.
I would never vote reform, I feel immigration has a net positive experience overall but the change since 2020 in our local area is noticeable and has in the main been negative rather than positive, we are looking to move as a result. I’m not sure everyone who doesn’t see all immigration as always positive is a racist or xenophobic but I wouldn’t share these views publicly in case I was identified in that way. I’ve always been on the liberal side of politics, by can see how unfortunately reform may storm to a win in the next election if concerns like mine are felt but perhaps not voiced or actioned. I don’t think there’ll be a civil war but in my opinion the situation will need to change in some way to avoid a fascist government coming in.

My British born brown friends have had racist slurs shouted at them in the street and been told to 'go home' by people who either don't understand or refuse to accept that skin colour and immigration status are not the same thing. Black British children were harassed as they left a scout camp by 'concerned' people who saw their skin colour and assumed them to be immigrants. I think its probably the rise in this sort of thing the OP is concerned with.

No most people with half a brain aren't racist and don't listen or read this nonsense. Its just people like this are usually louder on social media so it seems like more people but the reality is most people are just out living there lives. Its like anti vaxxers most people get vaccines but reading the gobs on social media comments you would think the opposite

I'm scared of a war. With Russia. Or potentially even with the US if they invade Greenland.

And? The world doesn't revolve around you. London is keeping the rest of the country afloat; the changes it has experienced have not stopped it from being the excellent world class city it is. London should keep being London.

Are you white?