to be creeped out by this ? (tw)

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Sorry, but men discussing young girls sexually should never be part of any politics anywhere. Except to flush out the filth.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-matt-goodwin-gorton-denton-children-women-b2918340.html

What did he actually say?

The human population of earth is too big, it doesn't matter if it shrinks a bit. Politicians banging on about women being solely responsible for reproduction smacks pretty hard of dystopia.

I'm not seeing the problem? There is no harm in ointing out to girls and young women that their fertility rates change with age. I was of a generation who were constantly told not to get pregnant, that it would ruin our lives, and then we did start trying, in our thirties, our fertility rates had lessened.

Taxing women who don’t have babies? What is the real agenda here?

Could just be me then ? Thread title is a question, not a directive.

I suppose it's no different to the French govt writing to all 27 year old women urging them to procreate ot freeze their eggs which i think the govt will pay for. May be wrong on that one tho

That universities are now too politically correct because they’re filled with childless women, that a negative child benefits (childlessness tax) should be imposed and that people who agree with trigger warnings and other political correctness have ‘female temprements’ and that British women are having children too late.

Agree. Sure, we all know people who have babies in their 40s/beyond (including some of the best parents I've met), but the sad truth is a lot of us have issues at an older age. It is not creepy to point this out.
I actually wish we had a lot more education about our bodies. More info about periods, and problems that shouldn't be ignored. Childbirth, and choice. Peri and menopause might (just recently) have been all over the news, but there was a poster the other day who said her gynae had no interest in HRT-all doctors, and everyone for that matter, should have a working understanding of things that affect half the population. We now talk about mental health-great. Let's talk about physical health, with no stigma about "women's issues".

You think they don’t already learn that in biology? This man’s interest is a bit Kinder, Küche, Kirche
Especially alongside their nonsensical more tax for the childless policy. And their see sawing on the 2 child benefit cap.

Well for a start it's assuming women make decisions about fertility in a vacuum. What about men? What about discussing how they can become supportive and respectful partners so women might want to have children with them earlier? And what about exploring why financially women find it difficult to have children younger due to the cost of housing and childcare and the hit to our careers. Nope - we just need to accept our primary purpose is to breed. And I think everyone knows now that fertility declines with age.

Did you really not know your fertility had declined a lot by 40? I’m 61 and it was well known when I was in my 20s.

Yeah, I wasn't too impressed with that either.

This. Everyone knows about fertility rates but there are lots of very valid reasons women dont have kids younger anymore to the same extent they used to. None of which appear to be something Reform are interested in addressing.

I’m not creeped out but I’m not surprised to see Reform politicians blaming women for demographic change. Let’s ignore all the elements of the system that are contributing to people having kids later - housing costs, job insecurity, the ridiculously unequal divisions of labour in households with children that many women see and understandably are put off by. What we need is to be lecturing teenage girls telling them to get knocked up for their country, right?

I don’t agree with Reform’s agenda here, but it’s hard to see how you could legitimately describe this as “discussing young girls sexually”.

I was never specifically taught about fertility but have felt the ticking of the clock for years. It is not due to ignorance that women are having children later, it’s many reasons including lack of good viable fathers, cost, ability to do well in our careers but only if we don’t take several years off, can’t afford to buy a house or get married, poor maternity care etc. etc. Do they think everything has been solved by funded hours?

This. Generally at the minute if I was a teenage girl in 2026, I would be seeking relationships with other teenage girls. 50% of teenage boys appear to be addicted to porn, gaming or weed or a combination of all three. 50% is a kind estimate.

I actually wouldn’t mind being offered free egg freezing but in my mid 30s I am probably already too old for them to consider

I'm in my 50s, chose to have a child in my 30s and then 40s. I did have plenty of awareness about fertility etc. This isn't secret information? Taxing WOMEN for not having children young, why on earth would anyone be wackadoodle to think this isn't anything other than government control of wombs.

Also, how do you impose a childless tax? Retrospectively at retirement age? Or just tax women from 18 until they have children (but not men?!)

Women in this country do need to be having more children BUT, and it's a huge but, other things need to be in place for this to happen. Men need to actually start behaving maturely and carrying equal weight in raising children. There are far too many men who aren't ready for relationships or behave very badly in them. Women are understandably going to be reluctant to want or have children in such a relationship, if they aren't confident that their children will have a good father who sticks around and carries his weight.

The other thing is of course finances - it's expensive to have kids and more support needs to be given if women are to take the time to have and raise children.

Also we need to get rid of this idea that the world is 'over populated'. People are dying all the time. We don't know when another natural disaster is going to occur and wipe out hundreds of thousands. We need more people, not less.

That's my two-penneth!

But this is part of a wider political and social agenda to go back to "traditional" gender norms, ie, women should stay home and have babies, and leave the world outside the home to men. This trend is quite strong in the US and goes along with support for Trump.

Also we need to get rid of this idea that the world is 'over populated'. People are dying all the time. We don't know when another natural disaster is going to occur and wipe out hundreds of thousands. We need more people, not less.

Even were 1 in 2 to perish overnight, we'd still be left with 4 billion souls. I don't think human extinction is quite as close as you think.

I’m pretty creeped out by grown men being interested in ‘young girls’ and their sex lives…

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It’s discussing the outcome of their sex lives. Sex and pregnancy are a bit linked.

Reform can F-off. F-off over women, F-off over all their crackpot ideas.

Yes OP, it's creepy.