to be creeped out by this ? (tw)

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Sorry, but men discussing young girls sexually should never be part of any politics anywhere. Except to flush out the filth.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-matt-goodwin-gorton-denton-children-women-b2918340.html

The usual cool, logical sanity, then...!

If they were taxing all childless people I would still find it controlling and interfering, but to focus solely on women stinks heavily of the need to control women’s bodies, and we can rightly assume we’re seen solely as a walking uterus rather than a fellow human being with our own needs.

I also question the thinking behind it from another view. Over the last few years, I’ve seen opinions on social media from MAGA supporters basically saying that white American women need to start having more white babies to counteract against the influx of black babies being born in the US. Given the race-baiting in the UK currently with regards to migrants, it wouldn’t surprise me if this wasn’t part of/the agenda.

More than creeped out, disgusted! Where do you even start with this absolute tripe? Decisions about children dont happen in a vacuum, and are not limited to women. Old white cis men telling us what to do with our bodies, it was ever thus.

I think it’s very controlling and frankly concerning - I watched a film recently called The Anniversary which feels hauntingly familiar ….. far right wing is a dreadful place to go back to IMO

But we all know this. We have it drummed into us from an early age. We don't need some creepy man mansplaining our fertility to us.

That is barmy. Taxing women who don’t have kids? What about men?
Childless women surely are literally not taking anything from the system. No child benefit, no school places and the nhs benefits too as they haven’t gone through maternity care and are not adding any kids to the system. I guess they’re desperate for the next generation of tax payers but this makes no sense.

Hang on, we need more children? I thought Britain was supposed to be full?!

YANBU OP, their desire to reduce women to procreation machines is very Handmaid's Tale. I really worry about what will happen if Reform get in.

It's too full of brown children in their eyes and not enough white children. This line of thinking from them is really just another dogwhistle.

Matt Goodwin didn't have his first and only child until he was 40.

He's 44 and divorced now. He's not even replaced himself

But by that logic any political discussion of family planning, population demographics or public service provision would be off-limits as being creepy and sexual, given it all eventually comes back to procreation. It’s nonsense. There are plenty of good reasons to be critical of Reform without resorting to the TRA-like argument of “Why are you so interested in children‘s genitals?”

Crazy how men have been awful to women throughout all of history, and now they wonder why we don't want to have kids with them 😂

Yes, it's mysogynistic and creepy. No woman in an educated society needs it mansplaining to them that they can't have kids past a certain age 🙄

‘Little girls’ is the issue. Discussing adult women’s contraception/fertility is different.

These freaks all read from the same playbook drafted by the assorted peado’s, nihilists, misogynists and billionaire Bond villains at Epstein’s depraved sewer of a compound.

I wish PP would not attempt to sane wash his talking points. I don’t know a single woman who didn’t know fertility reduces as you age.

I also think it’s strange this thread is only 2 pages long. If it had a trans angle it would be 20 pages within hours. Is trans the only feminist issue currently?

I have several friends who bitterly regret not being informed of the actual facts of female fertility loss, rather than the glossy magazine hyping of a tiny number privileged women in their 40s having babies. I regret not being told about how PCOS massively decreases your chances of conceiving. And I wish, oh, how I wish that my signs of early menopause were not dismissed as "normal".
So yes, bring on the hard, cold, scientific facts about women's fertility to young women as soon as possible please.
I consider myself very very lucky to even have had one child.

Quick, someone is critising Reform, must deflect with "brown men" comment.

Seems a fair conclusion that my concerns about middle aged men pontificating specifically about "young girls" and how they need to be taught to have children being creepy is out of touch with modern life.

It would have been equally as creepy to me had he also (or instead) suggested that "young boys" need to learn how to become fathers with all the responsibilities that entails. But as it happens his fertility concerns were restricted to women.

If there are lots of childless women presumably there are lots of childless men too, it takes two to tango. Or are women meant to trap men into having children? If the birth rate is falling men are equally to blame, if there is blame for that when the world is over populated. When no one in the world is starving we can worry about increasing the population.

Sorry, that was a typo for grown men
Embarrassed.
Totally changed my meaning.

Though I think it’s fairly obvious as Goodman is, well, white…

Ah, that really does change the meaning.

A very unfortunate typo.

Thanks for clarifying

Well the way most people on here carry on yes women do make decisions in a vacuum. Every other post is about your body your choice and who cares what men think.

Not creepy but incredibly sexist, the quality of a man’s sperm decreases as he ages so why is he only talking about women!

I think you need to be living under a rock not to know fertility decreases with age for both men and women. It’s not the cliff edge at 35 that’s too commonly pedalled, but there is obviously a decline and people know this.

Reform don’t care about women. Women do need to about their reproductive health at school in terms of endometriosis, PCOS, etc. It’s all to focused on pregnancy at the moment, and it should be much more general.

The trouble is women are too educated now. In countries with good maternity leave, good healthcare, decent standards of living, women are having fewer babies. We have a choice now, it’s not seen as so much of a taboo not to want one. Perhaps Reform should look at banning women from higher education and decriminalising marital rape like some other developing countries with large birth rates?

Do they really think this is why women are childlessness by choice? Maybe have a look at

maternity “care”
maternity leave
childcare
CMS
incel culture

as a mum of 2 I salute any woman that is child free by choice, go forth and frolic my unburdened sisters!*

*my kids are not burdens but I am currently drowning in all the above

" A female temperament" - wtaf? Need I point out that only females have female temperaments, so not quite sure what he is trying to say here.
The issue is also not that women are having children ' late in life' , it's that they are more likely not be able to have children if they leave it late.
I wonder how Reform will help all those women who would like to have children younger, but can't afford to do so. Do they have a plan for bringing down the cost of housing and fuel, or legislating for more flexible working hours for mothers? How is bringing down the COL dealt with in their manifesto? What about the improvement of public transport so that these poorer young women can more easily get to work/childcare? Are they bringing in steps to help chase the more feckless fathers to financially support and provide childcare for their own children?
As for "peer reviewed" studies, I'd be surprised, tbh.