Please tell me some of these things are made up-TW Epstein

[Needtorunawayfromitall]

I’m feeling really disturbed.

Know some info about the Ef, but stopping myself delving into it as I know I won’t be able to cope with it.
Was scrolling Instagram and heard horrible childrens screaming on a video, it was dark and I quickly went off it. I can’t stop thinking about it and just feel so distraught and really strange
Is some of it all made up? How can that be being shown and nothing being done about it??!
Lay in bed next to my peacefully sleeping 7 year old and just crying for those poor kids.
Feel like I can’t trust men also, is anyone else feeling similar? Think I need to delete my Sm accounts for a while.

How do we even begin to cope with all this mentally

The previous poster gave you the link. Read the emails on the DOJ page for yourself. You can do it straight from the source. There are lots of them and they are quite dull but whatever they are talking about, it isn't pizza.

Simpsons on point as ever

Its all sadly very, very real. Its all on reddit.

I believe that there are horrors happening in the world that are so heinous they would defy our imaginations. Before the internet we wouldn’t have had a clue that they were happening. Now they are getting onto our radar, and the internet also makes it easier for these sickos to recruit more sickos to participate.

These people are so powerful that we can’t do anything to stop them. Sometimes the only thing we can do is to step away from the internet to protect our own mental health.

I suspect a lot of the codewords are related to drugs. A lot more likely someone is getting drugs delivered to a hotel room than a child.

That's not been mentioned once during their trials? They are sex abusers and traffickers.

Totally agree.

It's bad enough that rich people with connections to powerful people have been protected, to some extent, from the consequences of their actions, without falling down the rabbit hole of shite that is floating around the internet.

Very sadly, there will have been a lot of screaming. Any children there would have been terrified and very likely thought they were going to be killed. I’ve been there as a CSA survivor.

It sounds like there’s fake stuff that’s been added, like including the German man who the German police are certain abducted and murdered Madeleine. The trouble is that adding fake information can cause people to doubt the rest of it (which might be the intention).

One thing is certain, we should be careful about assuming things are fake (apart from the obvious ones). It all turned out to be true in Jimmy Saville’s case.

This is why there needs to be full transparency and criminal charges against all those men who are found to be involved.

The specific video might not be real (probably not), but there very much was thousands of files released (some later deleted by the government when they released Trump was too heavily implicated) that prove that there was/is a global sex trafficking ring chaired by rich and powerful people. The evidence suggests these girls were raped, tortured, possibly killed.

However, the President of the United States has been named thousands of times in these documents, and even before that had been implicated in the rape/assault/harassment of many, many women and girls. He didn't even really try to hide it. The fact he is still in office doesn't fill me with joy or hope. It also looks like he's going to rig the next US election even more heavily than the last. Maybe he learned from Putin, his best mate.

I'm glad at least we don't have any toad-faced politicians in this country who love Trump and want to replicate his odious agenda here.

Oh wait!

I just...despair.

You keep saying believe victims but these are not victim testimonies. No one has come forward and said that they saw children and babies being SA. What you are referring to is a massive dump of correspondence and other materials that has not been verified. This is not to minimise the awfulness of what is known but to encourage people to focus on facts not internet driven theories.

But can’t you see that taking a position that these things happened but anyone who doesn’t believe you needs to search for the evidence themselves is bonkers.

the burden is on you to show what you are claiming.

people believing extreme things without specific proof often take this stance. Usually because the proof either doesn’t exist, or is misremembered, misrepresented, or made up.

horrible things happened. There is lots of evidence for them. Adding on made up things simply discredits the actual abuses and actual harm.

Evidence of possible code words is not evidence for the pizza gate claims. That’s the problem with actual evidence. You can’t use it to extrapolate

Do you mean no victim testimonies apart from the very well documented testimonies of Virginia Guiffre, who wrote a book about it then killed herself? Or the testimonies of Epstein's butlers? Or the testimonies of the other Epstein victims such as Ashley Rubright and Annie Farmer? Or Katie Johnson who named Trump in court as assaulting her when she was 13? Or the quotes from Trump himself saying that Epstein liked his girls 'on the young side'? Or the testimonies and subsequent jailing of Ghislaine Maxwell for sex trafficking?

Apart from that (and the millions of pages of evidence on the gov website) I guess there isn't much, you're right.

How many of those genuine victims claim babies were being eaten, people were being murdered?

I was quoting a poster who said there is no evidence of children being SA. You know what, I'll retract the babies part. There's no evidence of babies people, don't worry! It was just young girls being raped! Who cares about them?

And you know what - I guess it is hard to believe that an international cabal of billionaires who bought and sold young girls would go so far as murder. Leave those peadophiles alone! Ignore the parts of the files which implicate them in murder, everyone. That is just farfetched.

Sorry. I concede.

Are there videos of victims who were ten or under?

Because that’s the point people are making - that there is no evidence of actual paedophilia so far, and that claiming that there is undermines the horror of what we know he did do, which is traffic very young women, many of whom were underage, but who were not children in the sense that they had been through puberty.

Glad the bots and brain-dead are back to tell people it's all made up, nothing to see, move along.

Yes

Back when Ian Watkins was jailed I made the mistake of reading his sentencing report. Although it’s public information, it was erg, very graphic and I wish I hadn’t read it as it haunts me to this day. Then again, Watkins didn’t use code words he was very explicitly in his requests to mothers of babies and toddlers.

The only difference with the Epstein files is that they use codes words rather than be explicit. If it the decides ever come out I have no interest in reading them, I don’t think I could handle it.

You really think so?

Jeffrey Epstein is a convicted pedophile

Ghislaine Maxwell is a convicted sex trafficker

Their island is confined to be a hub of sex trafficking. We know this.

Anhone could get drugs from anywhere. Christ, give me 10 minutes and I could probably find somewhere to get drugs. Nobody needs to go to a special island renowned for sex trafficking just for drugs.

I know, how absolutely ridiculous to think it's about drugs. Wilful ignorance.

The source material of the Epstein files isn’t “shite”

Though do you really think Epstein was a connoisseur of pizza and cream cheese?

It’s not the job of other posters to argue a case to you, present evidence or convince you of anything. You’re either interested in understanding the truth for yourself or you’re not. Evidently not in many cases on this thread. Personally I do not give a shit whether you believe what’s in the files and victims’ claims or not, but if you’re interested in understanding the truth you’re probably going to have to be a bit open minded about what’s potentially horrifying but real. Living in blinkered and deliberate denial doesn’t serve anyone. It’s becoming apparent (not news to me, I’ve been following this for years) that the world is not what we thought it was. Decency, democracy, transparency and accountability are a hallucination. I don’t think there is any plausible deniability where these people are concerned.

women have come forward to say they were raped and sexually abused as children. How have you missed this?!

It’s not been verified as in nobody has confirmed for example that cheese pizza = a 12yo girl. Because the president is heavily implicated and the files are heavily redacted (apart from victim names, nice) and have not been fully released as promise. But I’m sure it’s all above board 🙄

Maybe nobody will ever verify what the code words are or mean, it you have to be specially dim to think that convicted pedophiles we’re just ordering pizza, cream cheese and juice.

Elizabeth wanted me to search for her. I don’t do that when people can do it themselves. The burden is not on me because I don’t give a shit if people are too lazy to search for their own sources, I’m not desperate to convince anyone, it’s as plain as the nose on my face that nobody was really ordering pizza via a pedophile billionaire.

They are entitled to disbelieve that the pizza thing is code, but when they do it after not even reading one file let along hundreds, they don’t really have a very valid opinion.

I think the question is - why AREN’T you believing extreme things? It’s not “horrible” - it’s extreme, it’s rape, it’s abuse. Stop downplaying it.

And nothing is made up, it’s source materials. You can find it yourself

Of course there is speculation! That is inevitable if a convicted paedophile uses barely disguised code words for his activities. Are we all meant to pretend it isn't dodgy?