Please tell me some of these things are made up-TW Epstein

[Needtorunawayfromitall]

I’m feeling really disturbed.

Know some info about the Ef, but stopping myself delving into it as I know I won’t be able to cope with it.
Was scrolling Instagram and heard horrible childrens screaming on a video, it was dark and I quickly went off it. I can’t stop thinking about it and just feel so distraught and really strange
Is some of it all made up? How can that be being shown and nothing being done about it??!
Lay in bed next to my peacefully sleeping 7 year old and just crying for those poor kids.
Feel like I can’t trust men also, is anyone else feeling similar? Think I need to delete my Sm accounts for a while.

How do we even begin to cope with all this mentally

Very much agree with this, well said.

Think it’s all a bit much so can’t be true? Congratulations, you’re not a satanic pedophile. But you are quite possibly deluding yourself that evil does not exist.

Actually the term “woke” was coined by black Americans as part of AAVE to describe people who were vigilant against racism. It’s since been appropriated by racists to downplay their racism. Nothing to do with David Icke FFS

I agree. I noticed, when I looked him up to see who he was, that someone has been messing with the wikipedia page of JE's main pizza buddy.

@ElizabethsTailor Read the emails it is pretty obvious.

If only everyone would wake up and acknowledge that such things happen to children of all ages, including babies, it might be more likely that perpetrators could be caught/stopped when they first start experimenting/looking for like-minded co-conspiritors to join these networks of evil-minded abusers.
Closing eyes and minds to the possibility that this is all true is what endangers all our children.

I was going to, but nobody seems to be able to link to the specific emails they were talking about. Unfortunately that’s often a sign that they might have put two and two together to make ten.

And I’m afraid I’m another that feels that apocryphal stories such as the pizza and furniture conspiracy theories detracts from the real horrors that happened.

Oh do fuck off. If you’re really too lazy to look for yourself you should not be commenting on the matter from a position of wilful ignorance. They are all freely available. You just don’t want to put any effort in. Go on twitter, look at the evidence and cross reference against the file release if if suits you, but don’t expect others to do this work for you just to satisfy your irritating smugness.

Here you go… enjoy. Reference numbers galore 🙄 www.justice.gov/epstein/search

Try and work out which bit of evidence convinced you because you'll find it was something you saw on Facebook or Tiktok.

It's pretty clear that when they hired girls to entertain at parties they didn't go to any great lengths to check their claimed ages were accurate, but if they were babies that would have been obvious.

I'm sure some of the men liked the idea that they might be under 16 and that is bad enough. We have statutory rape laws for a reason and being voluntary on the girl's part does NOT make it ok.

But that's the whole story so far.

The stuff about babies (including eating them) comes from men angry and disappointed that there was no video for them to enjoy.

Find them yourself

It’s the easiest search tool I think I’ve ever used. Whats stopping you?

It’s not distracting from the real thing at all. It’s all part of the jigsaw of how powerful people have got away with child rape. When thinks like child trafficking come to light the question is ALWAYS posed of “How did they get away with it? How did nobody realise!”. Well here you go - here are the codes they talked in. And if you actually gave a shit you’d go look yourself.

It’s also worth pointing out that you saying people are distracting from the real thing - I am the one using the words child rape - you haven’t said it yet.

But genuine question - do you think billionaires really talk to each like this? Emails over loving the pizza they had last night, saying it was yummy with lots of winky faces, after complex instructions of how to deliver said pizza? What DO you think that’s about?
Or is it that you just can’t bear perhaps something you sneer at is being silly conspiracy theory could actually be true??

But I did look. I didn’t find anything other than several hundred references to pizza. People eat pizza. As I pointed out I also found dozens of references to kangaroos, tortoises and harmonicas. The prevalence of the word pizza is much higher in the English language than the word harmonica. I would be looking for a needle in a haystack. You say you have already found that needle - perhaps you could point it out more clearly?

Don’t bother, I gave them the same and got a sneery “Ugh I know how to search”.

This person just wants to not face that a conspiracy theory (that did sound bonkers at the time, I didn’t believe it either” is true.

Reminds me of that male newsreader who got shut down in the best way after saying “Let’s not get our knickers in a twist” about the Epstein files

yes because pedophiles who rape babies and young children do not exist and never have.

Yeah, the “pizza and grape soda” stuff is definitely not about eating pizza and drinking grape soda.

You REALLY think that child sex traffickers are moral enough to have a lower age limit? And that no men interested in very young children were given access by Maxwell and Epstein?

Id love to be that naive

Have you even read any of the files?

Are you trying to shut down the thread by being wilfully difficult and hard of understanding. People have repeatedly told you where to find the evidence and you keep asking the same things. Suggest grey rock on this one now, it’s a derail. I don’t know what the agenda is but it seems to be to minimise the crimes and discredit the victims.

JFC.

So you real think Epstein just ordered pizza for random people loads and has them delivered to them in complex ways, and they send emails to thank him and pictures laughing at sliced pizza?

BTW I looked up your attempts at a “gotcha” of Kangaroos and harmonicas. These are mainly from things like brochures for kangaroo island in Australia and articles about musicians that, for whatever reason, Epstein had in his personal files. The files are not just correspondence there’s a lot of random stuff that will just be that he’s looked at holidays home etc.

But 845 items of correspondence about pizza - unless you’re particularly dim I think it’s quite clear that is not about pizza.

Same for cream cheese. I’m sure this email is definitely just about cream cheese, babies and exploding and Epstein was nothing more than a connoisseur of fast food.

Have you searched for the FBI report about the dead bodies buried on the island yet? And when you find it Are you going to apologise to @peanutbuttertoasty of accusing her of making stuff up when she didn’t?

I don’t think it’s derailing.

From OP Was scrolling Instagram and heard horrible childrens screaming on a video, it was dark and I quickly went off it. I can’t stop thinking about it and just feel so distraught and really strange Is some of it all made up?

As demonstrated in the thread, yes some of the crap on social media is made up, by people who can’t point to any actual evidence so build it up in their heads. There are enough people doing it that they amplify it between them, but still can’t point to the actual content that are talking about, just deflecting with “find it yourself”. Quite probably they believe it, but that doesn’t make it true.

OP - stick to a variety of reputable sources, including the primary source (the email archive itself). Although if you are feeling sensitive be aware that what we do know to be true is bad enough.

no.you need to read the emails properly. There are references to torture in one at least and Epstein telling someone he gives him persmission to kill someone. In another there is reference to a ' sexy ' 9yr old Brazilian girl . There is a follow up in that conversation when whoever is talking to JE remarks that the youngest girl was a bit naughty.
I am trying to read as much source material as I can . We should all be doing that .

But why shouldn’t you find it yourself?

I told you how to listen to evidence - watch videos of his victims speaking out as adults. Have you done that?

And I dunno, maybe read the reputable sources that are the actual Epstein files? Rather than expecting others to do the hard work for you?

Im sure you just want a nice sanitised polite article with no grim details whatsoever lest someone else’s childhood trauma interrupt your cosy life for a moment. And I’m sure there are nice sanitised polite articles out there for you to read. But don’t sneer at others who accept the deeply insidious, dark and depraved nature of what really happened and are OK with talking about it in a public forum

There is another version of that same email about the Brazilian girl that says 19, not 9. Whatever software has been used to either trawl or upload the files has deleted some characters and replaced many others with an = sign for some reason. That’s one reason to approach it all with caution.

I think that it is likely that the mainstream media are under-reporting for fear of legal proceedings. There has been very little comment about Trump’s involvement in the UK papers I have read, not surprisingly given Trump is so litigious. So I can see why people give the social media reports a bit of credence.

@FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoodsI hadn’t picked up any of the coded messages about pizza, cream cheese, Wayfair etc in any of the reporting I have seen, so that has given me pause for thought to do my own research. The whole thing is utterly grim. Those poor people. I hope some of his victims finally have a sense of validation now the files have been released, but I wonder what more is being withheld.

Yes that’s very annoying, lots of random wingdings type text I’ve noticed.

I think you’re spot on, and many would not like to be seen as tin hat unreputable reporters. whilst it’s fine for us all to sit and talk about how this is very obviously code for “ordering” trafficked women and children and not pizza, it’s quite another to say it within the framework and rules of a professional journalist in a national newspaper. It could take just one court case brought by a person with a very expensive legal team for a newspaper group to be brought down and bankrupt.

I also think the Mandleson stuff has created a constitutional crisis with our Prime Minister and that’s a hot topic that reporters can’t help but focus on right now, and Browne Mandeslon or Starmer will dare be litigious over any of it.

But journalism overall does need to be much braver in these circumstances

What has been “demonstrated in the thread to be made up?”

If you’re talking about the screaming video, you’ve got absolutely no idea whether that’s real or not. You have proof in no direction so do not make these sweeping assumptions as though they are fact.

if in doubt, believe victims.