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To ask you to explain SEND funding and bankrupt councils to me?

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Myanna · 05/02/2026 19:46

I've read a few articles like this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2026/feb/05/send-costs-bankrupt-english-local-authorities

But I don't understand why the cost of funding SEND is so high that it's going to potentially/actually make most councils insolvent.

It's not like provision is generous or easy to get, from what I've read (I don't have a child who is supported).

Were these kids previously just not supported in any way by the state and was it left to families to cope as best they could?
Are these kids who previously wouldn't have survived, but now do because of better medical care and therefore need a lot of help?
Is this private equity running enterprises and charging huge amounts to local authorities?
Is it just inflation and the cost of employing people?

I really don't know much about this at all but I'm sure many on here do, so I'd really welcome your knowledge.

Rising Send costs will ‘bankrupt’ four in five English local authorities, leaders say

Councils call on ministers to write off special educational needs and disability deficits that are predicted to reach £14bn in 2028

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2026/feb/05/send-costs-bankrupt-english-local-authorities

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Jamesblonde2 · 09/02/2026 21:11

Kirbert2 · 09/02/2026 21:08

Why can't all parents just home educate? No state education at all.

Maths, physics, chemistry A level? No than you.

Pollyanna87 · 09/02/2026 21:12

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 09/02/2026 21:05

I don't, could you spell it out for me?

For those with very little cognitive awareness, education is a waste of public money.

Kirbert2 · 09/02/2026 21:13

Jamesblonde2 · 09/02/2026 21:11

Maths, physics, chemistry A level? No than you.

I don't want to home educate my child either.

No thank you. I agree.

ExistingonCoffee · 09/02/2026 21:15

MsFJC · 09/02/2026 21:10

  • Provide a Valid Reason: MNHQ is more likely to remove content if you have a "pressing reason," such as privacy concerns, having revealed too much personal information ("outed" yourself), or being bullied/abused.
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  • Provide a Valid Reason: MNHQ is more likely to remove content if you have a "pressing reason," such as privacy concerns, having revealed too much personal information ("outed" yourself), or being bullied/abused.
To repeat myself for the final time. MNHQ obviously felt the posts had a pressing reason to be removed due to causing distress due to bullying.
  • SEP (for a CYP aged 2 or over) means “educational or training provision that is additional to, or different from, that made generally for others of the same age in (a) mainstream schools in England, (b) maintained nursery schools in England, (c) mainstream post-16 institutions in England, or (d) places in England at which relevant early years education is provided”. SEP (for a child under 2) is “education provision of any kind”.

The response to the above statement shall depend on the philosophy of the person answering the following questions:
What is education?
what is the purpose of education?
what is a disability and/or special educational need. This is why there are different government responses for education policy and practice and SEND. They have different views of how to interpret the above statement. Therefore different views on how to deliver pedagogy and curriculum. How to fund education and SEND. Different views on who should be funded for what. I could break it down into Social Justice principles. I suspect you would make a negative comment about that too.

In education studies students are tasked with creating a curriculum that fits all children it is impossible so far. They are also tasked with defining and breaking down statements such as the SEP definition. Particularly in MA Education and MA SEND modules. This is currently a significant area for Kenyan MA Education students.

Just to make my education philosophy/beliefs clear in simple terms.

I genuinely wish it was straightforward and each individual could receive the perfect education system them. There are those who suggest this could only work if each parent funded their child’s education. That would be a pre 1870 plan. Even in today’s society that does not work as there are still wealth disparities and parents have different education levels/passions and values. Education is a right for each individual and they should be supported to achieve and thrive in adulthood.

Non-creative parents may push their child towards non-creative education. Yet the child wants a creative education. A parent may not want to bother educating their child as they do not value education, yet the child wants an education. Creative parents may not value non-creative education etc… Where does this leave Care Experienced children who are already struggling due to trauma which will impact their education. Yes I do believe that Care Experienced children should have an EHC Plan and do have a SEN/D need. These issues would still apply to parents of SEND children.

I do not like education being a business (academy trusts).

I believe education should be holistic and balanced between non-creative, creative and vocational. I dislike a neoliberal curriculum, I like an IB curriculum.

I believe vocational education needs to be brought back and supported for all CYP.

I believe that education needs to be returned to LA control although there needs to a change in senior management the corruption needs to be stopped.

More community schools of different types need to be built to meet the different needs of different communities. Class sizes need to be smaller and grouped in some cases by ability and children can repeat classes or years if required.

All teachers need to be teachers of SEND and schools need the support staff to support the school holistically both pupils and staff.

The fault of SEND funding is not one set fault, it is the fault of multiple competing issues. The damage is actually multiple firstly to the CYP who are not getting their needs met and achieving to the highest of their ability or ambition. Secondly to the teachers and frontline SEND professionals who are on the receiving end of daily abuse in some cases. The genuine ones are hanging in there hoping for change that benefits all CYP as much as possible.

MNHQ withdrawing the ‘poster’s’ posts does not mean MNHQ thought the poster had been bullied. If they did, they would have deleted all the other posters’ posts for bullying. As anyone who has spent any time on MN knows, MNHQ withdrawing posts does not equal the poster has been bullied.

Your long AI produced post doesn’t even know the full definition of SEP. Again, a person’s philosophy does not change what is classed as SEP no matter how much you want it to.

x2boys · 09/02/2026 21:17

Jamesblonde2 · 09/02/2026 21:11

Maths, physics, chemistry A level? No than you.

You need to educate yourself
Education isn't all about Alevels

x2boys · 09/02/2026 21:18

Pollyanna87 · 09/02/2026 21:12

For those with very little cognitive awareness, education is a waste of public money.

Thats in your very limited opnion
Maybe educate yourself?

ThisOldThang · 09/02/2026 21:18

Pollyanna87 · 09/02/2026 21:12

For those with very little cognitive awareness, education is a waste of public money.

Parents of children with serious SEN conditions clearly require respite. My brother is brain damaged and his behaviour is very difficult to tolerate for extended periods.

He had a 1:1 teaching assistant at school.

He's now semi-independent, but will never hold down a job.

There is a difference, though, between his level of disability and, for want of a better term, somebody that is a 'vegetable'. In the latter case respite care could consist of a safe, calm and warm environment at a fairly low cost.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 09/02/2026 21:21

Pollyanna87 · 09/02/2026 21:12

For those with very little cognitive awareness, education is a waste of public money.

What do you mean by little cognitive awareness though?

You're being clinically vague. Little cognitive awareness is doing a lot of rhetorical work here, and I'm afraid I still don't know what you mean, if you could elaborate further please.

Mumofsend · 09/02/2026 21:23

ThisOldThang · 09/02/2026 20:48

I've worked with a child who ended up in a 300k a year placement. 400 miles from home. Joint funded by social care and education. It was a secure unit and child was raising a lot of red flags of very very high risk behaviour towards others. You don't end up with that sort of placement unless you absolutely have to.

Would an institution be more appropriate for dangerous children such as this. I presume, we're taking about Jonty Bravery or Axel Rudakubana type concerns?

There seems to be a knee jerk reaction against institutions on this thread, but I think they are entirely appropriate for those that pose a serious threat to individuals and wider society.

That's effectively what secure units are. Sexual harm was this one. In reality, if he had had support when younger it may have been prevented but he's inevitably heading for prison

MsFJC · 09/02/2026 21:26

ExistingonCoffee · 09/02/2026 21:15

MNHQ withdrawing the ‘poster’s’ posts does not mean MNHQ thought the poster had been bullied. If they did, they would have deleted all the other posters’ posts for bullying. As anyone who has spent any time on MN knows, MNHQ withdrawing posts does not equal the poster has been bullied.

Your long AI produced post doesn’t even know the full definition of SEP. Again, a person’s philosophy does not change what is classed as SEP no matter how much you want it to.

The posts that were deleted. Were due to my friend feeling bullied when she dared to respond to questions and be transparent. The comments she received that were bullying were direct responses to the comments she posted. Which is why they no longer show.

Terribly sorry I am guilty of being tired and quickly checking for the legal wording of SEP. I should have got out my Paper Copy of CaFA 2014 and the SEND CoP 2015 (happy to post an image that I have actual paper copies. Shall I let Support SEND Kids know their definition is AI.
https://supportsendkids.org/question/1644847539886

The rest was written by me without AI. I thought of just ignoring you, yet gave you the benefit of the doubt and took time to explain my reasoning and thoughts. If you want to send me your email, I shall provide copies of acdemic papers that have been verified as me being the author and not AI. No doubt you would have more unfounded suggestions that it is AI. If this post is only AI. Please do copy and paste into google scholar and ask for an AI report or plagiarism score. You would not find either. I have used a direct quote although not referenced as it is an non-acdemic piece of writing. The rest is entirely my own writing therefore has not used AI or plagiarised.

08.02 Is there a rule specifying what counts as SEP?

08.02 Is there a rule specifying what counts as SEP?

https://supportsendkids.org/question/1644847539886

ThisOldThang · 09/02/2026 21:26

Mumofsend · 09/02/2026 21:23

That's effectively what secure units are. Sexual harm was this one. In reality, if he had had support when younger it may have been prevented but he's inevitably heading for prison

Why do we need to wait until there's a victim? Surely this is exactly where institutions would fit into the jigsaw?

ExistingonCoffee · 09/02/2026 21:31

MsFJC · 09/02/2026 21:26

The posts that were deleted. Were due to my friend feeling bullied when she dared to respond to questions and be transparent. The comments she received that were bullying were direct responses to the comments she posted. Which is why they no longer show.

Terribly sorry I am guilty of being tired and quickly checking for the legal wording of SEP. I should have got out my Paper Copy of CaFA 2014 and the SEND CoP 2015 (happy to post an image that I have actual paper copies. Shall I let Support SEND Kids know their definition is AI.
https://supportsendkids.org/question/1644847539886

The rest was written by me without AI. I thought of just ignoring you, yet gave you the benefit of the doubt and took time to explain my reasoning and thoughts. If you want to send me your email, I shall provide copies of acdemic papers that have been verified as me being the author and not AI. No doubt you would have more unfounded suggestions that it is AI. If this post is only AI. Please do copy and paste into google scholar and ask for an AI report or plagiarism score. You would not find either. I have used a direct quote although not referenced as it is an non-acdemic piece of writing. The rest is entirely my own writing therefore has not used AI or plagiarised.

Edited

The beginning was written by AI.

WTF would I provide you with my email address. You can’t even remember what you have posted on this thread. You have repeatedly posted I have said things I haven’t. Your academic papers have nothing to do with it.

Your ‘friend’ was not bullied. There weren’t many other posts deleted on the thread about caseworkers being trusted. If she had been bullied, MNHQ would have deleted others’ comments when they were reported. Challenging judgemental posts and incorrect posts isn’t the same as bullying.

Fearfulsaints · 09/02/2026 21:32

ThisOldThang · 09/02/2026 21:26

Why do we need to wait until there's a victim? Surely this is exactly where institutions would fit into the jigsaw?

Why do you think instructions are cheap?

Plus theres only 170 children in secure children's homes which this sounds like..

Jamesblonde2 · 09/02/2026 21:34

Kirbert2 · 09/02/2026 21:13

I don't want to home educate my child either.

No thank you. I agree.

What are children without cognitive awareness or extreme limitations taught that you can’t be taught at home? Maths A level isn’t happening is it?

Most parents teach potty training, dressing, brushing teeth etc, what are they being taught which can’t be taught at home?

ExistingonCoffee · 09/02/2026 21:36

Jamesblonde2 · 09/02/2026 21:34

What are children without cognitive awareness or extreme limitations taught that you can’t be taught at home? Maths A level isn’t happening is it?

Most parents teach potty training, dressing, brushing teeth etc, what are they being taught which can’t be taught at home?

Great. So you are a teacher, TA/LSA, SALT, OT, EP, physio, CP, ToD, QTVI and nurse… all rolled into one are you?

ThisOldThang · 09/02/2026 21:38

Fearfulsaints · 09/02/2026 21:32

Why do you think instructions are cheap?

Plus theres only 170 children in secure children's homes which this sounds like..

I've not said they're 'cheap'. I've said that I think there's a place for them in terms of managing violent SEN children and adults that require extreme staffing levels. I think they would reduce/eliminate the danger these individuals pose to wider society and they might also be cheaper, because the staffing ratios could be much reduced - e.g. through the use of secure rooms, segregation, etc.

Jamesblonde2 · 09/02/2026 21:39

ThisOldThang · 09/02/2026 21:18

Parents of children with serious SEN conditions clearly require respite. My brother is brain damaged and his behaviour is very difficult to tolerate for extended periods.

He had a 1:1 teaching assistant at school.

He's now semi-independent, but will never hold down a job.

There is a difference, though, between his level of disability and, for want of a better term, somebody that is a 'vegetable'. In the latter case respite care could consist of a safe, calm and warm environment at a fairly low cost.

And here we have the nub. Some of this “education” is t that is it? It’s babysitting.

It should not be as expensive as it is.

The levels of disability are a real problem. It’ll be the norm before long then won’t be very “special” anymore.

Jamesblonde2 · 09/02/2026 21:40

ExistingonCoffee · 09/02/2026 21:36

Great. So you are a teacher, TA/LSA, SALT, OT, EP, physio, CP, ToD, QTVI and nurse… all rolled into one are you?

So it’s medical needs then, not education?

SleeplessInWherever · 09/02/2026 21:40

ThisOldThang · 09/02/2026 21:38

I've not said they're 'cheap'. I've said that I think there's a place for them in terms of managing violent SEN children and adults that require extreme staffing levels. I think they would reduce/eliminate the danger these individuals pose to wider society and they might also be cheaper, because the staffing ratios could be much reduced - e.g. through the use of secure rooms, segregation, etc.

Staffing ratios are higher in secure units, because otherwise staff and young people come to significant harm.

HTH.

ExistingonCoffee · 09/02/2026 21:41

Jamesblonde2 · 09/02/2026 21:40

So it’s medical needs then, not education?

No, education. As per the definition of SEP in the Children and Families Act 2014, HCP that educates or trains is actually SEP.

SleeplessInWherever · 09/02/2026 21:41

Jamesblonde2 · 09/02/2026 21:40

So it’s medical needs then, not education?

TAs and LSAs are for medical needs are they?

Let’s face it, you don’t know what those acronyms mean. Which is fair, why would you, but you also therefore don’t know how valuable they are.

Fearfulsaints · 09/02/2026 21:43

Jamesblonde2 · 09/02/2026 21:40

So it’s medical needs then, not education?

Yes, a lot of education is therapeutic. If the medical care also trains it comes under education budget. So physio, ot, salt all can come under education.

Kirbert2 · 09/02/2026 21:45

Jamesblonde2 · 09/02/2026 21:34

What are children without cognitive awareness or extreme limitations taught that you can’t be taught at home? Maths A level isn’t happening is it?

Most parents teach potty training, dressing, brushing teeth etc, what are they being taught which can’t be taught at home?

Maths A level isn't happening for plenty of children who don't have disabilities but they are still educated.

Education will look different for some children but will still involve things that parents either can't replicate at home or can replicate at home such as self care but will also want the support of school too. As do many parents when it comes to education and deciding not to home educate.

Needlenardlenoo · 09/02/2026 21:47

So we start with a thread about "bankrupt" councils and end with some morally bankrupt statements. Poetic.

Kirbert2 · 09/02/2026 21:47

Jamesblonde2 · 09/02/2026 21:40

So it’s medical needs then, not education?

No. It comes under education.

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