To think we should get rid of all titles - Sir, Lord, Ms, Master, Prince etc.

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No more Lords, no more Sirs, no fretting about Ms, Mrs or Miss and definitely get rid of Master, Prince etc.

I listen to the radio with them having to insert the 'Sir' and 'Lord' before people's names as though these titles make them more important people.

Have we not gone beyond honorifics? Most of these people have done very little to deserve their extra titles and some are actively harmful individuals.

I am still pondering on the Dr title for medics - because that is a professional title rather than honorary but wouldn't use it for those with PHDs.

The only people that really care about titles are those that have them. Now that you can buy Lord and Lady titles for under £30, they're quite meaningless. I'd like to get rid of most titles. Why? Because a lot of peers no longer deserve the honours they were awarded. I think getting a knight/damehood for "services to television, etc" is laughable. I respect those who have studied for years, but not everyone's circumstances will afford them the privilege of being able to attend university. Those people may go on to work extremely hard for decades in demanding careers, but they don't get any recognition, and shouldn't be viewed as 'less than'.

I'd slim it down to just Mr and Ms for almost everybody, and Prince/Princess would be restricted to the immediate heir of the reigning monarch.

I'm ok with titles, just not ok with some people being awarded them. No honours for political service and a process for removing them if imprisoned and for certain other reasons would do for me.

I'd get rid of ms Mrs mr

I'm divorced but hate Ms and I prefer people use my first name. If I meet someone I've never met before, eg a GP or Optician and they greet me with title and surname I always say you can call me by my first name. I don't want to be their friend so in the case of GPs I would always call them Dr.

Nobody needs to. It’s a choice to use a title you’ve earned. It’s not that deep.

I don’t put PhD after my name ( it’s on my business card but that’s a university template I can’t change) but I use the title Dr if asked for one.

Thanks. I think it must just be a personal thing and of course few forms ask for any suffixes, educational or others.

I think it's because I'm old and grumpy that I am mildly irritated by most GPs introducing themselves as Dr and then asking if they can use my given name. How difficult would it be to say 'Hello, I'm John, I'm one of the GPs here's?

And consultant surgeons are Mr anyway aren’t they?

Or Ms, Miss, Mrs

Yes, sorry should have added that.

Yes to the original post plus OBEs, MBEs etc.

Or Ms…

Out of interest, what professional setting do you work in where calling you by your first name would be weird?

The only thing I can think of is law where it would obviously be weird in court, but in the office you'd be called by your first name.

Not being goady, I just honestly can't think of where I've ever come across adults being addresses this formally nowadays by other adults

Everyone having a title developed over time and changes to social norms back in the late Victorian and Edwardian periods, and getting rid of them would involve similar social changes.

I wouldn't be for forcing people to get rid - I don't think it would work - but I do think it would be good for no title to be an option more often - as PP note, trying to do so is often a 'computer says no' situation these days - and move more towards that being accepted.

Who's called Master? Both of my sons have had mail from banks, doctors, and others addressed as Master [Name] as children. I recall some of my husband's older relatives referring to them that way a few times, in jest.

No one is forcing you to call them Lord, you dont have to..

Depends on your profession. If you're in certain legal areas, referring to someone as 'Her Ladyship' or 'His Lordship' is part of the job, arguably a forced one - as is using titles like 'The Honourable Justice Mrs...' or referring to everyone as 'Lear-ned' (never Learned, always Lear-ned, I don't know why)

Maybe we can just call all adults Lear-ned... I'd prefer that to a title that's only part of a word since using the whole word Mistress has too many negative connotations...but then so does Madam, but court clerks and ushers get called Madam (or Lear-ned) while barristers are Miss/Ms/Mrs - I also don't know why on that one either, but I'd just prefer if girls and women need to use a title, it could be one that's a whole word.

Not being goady, I just honestly can't think of where I've ever come across adults being addresses this formally nowadays by other adults

One example is the Airline crew world where you can be forever changing who you are working with and/or going places where the local staff don't know you and haven't got time to faff around with intros on a short turn around...

Also in some comms it is sometimes it's easier to use rank/title over the phone, intially at least, rather than have grab a crew list to work out who the heck is driving or in charge of the cabin today to tell them about, say, a fire...😳

You would however be regarded as more than a arse if you carried on with rank/title off duty.

I really don’t get why there is still discussion about this. Rank or title in the appropriate setting-Services or Church for example. Otherwise first name or Mr or Ms. Sorted.

I see your point, but I would definitely find it a bit weird at school if the kids called me by my first name. They seem to find it much easier to just call all their teachers 'Miss' and 'Sir' anyway. Some people get very het up about the difference in status of the titles Miss and Sir, but the kids don't think of it that way - to them it just means male teacher and female teacher.

All staff at our primary were addressed by their first name. It just seemed normal.

At secondary Staff were Mr, Ms or Dr - surname. Again all normal, and they never used miss / sir.

And IMO language matters - and it does plant seeds.

Language does indeed matter, but usage changes and it's easy to assume that younger generations get the same inferences from words as we do.

Well, given that currently, in any other context than school 'Sir' has a very different implication to 'Miss'. They watch films in which Military, aristocracy, etc are addressed as Sir - or when it is used with deference and respect. Totally different to the way 'miss' is used.

I really don't see how there cannot be some difference in perception or a contribution to the subliminal factors which add up to a difference on the way men and women are perceived and treated.

At DS’s school, Sir and Miss were synonymous with teacher-as in “I’ll go and find a Miss to help us….”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnv299l3zrno

Someone who should not really be using the title 'Dr' but that's fine because she's heading to the Lords.

that's weird! is she working as an academic now?

Teachers being 'Miss' and 'Sir' only happens in English secondary schools. In Scotland we use title and surname, like English kids do at primary school.

English kids in primary use both. I’ve just spent 4 weeks observing lessons in 10 different primaries and they all moved between ‘Mr Jones’ and ‘Sir’, or rather ‘Siiiiiiiirrrrrr’