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Just smacked my child - unreasonable to ask for help?!

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13MAPARTHELL · 04/02/2026 19:10

My 5 YO has ASD, PDA.
he has no delays in speech or communication.
there are some weeks, where his behaviour is absolutely unbearable. Hitting him is absolutely not acceptable and I am very ashamed. When I say unbearable, he calls me names, talks back and will tell us to ‘fucking shut up’ every time we speak, repeatedly target his little brother and be violent toward him. He will refuse everything, all while hysterically laughing in my face, he will wake at 3am, eyes open and first words ‘i want to kill my brother’ or ‘i hate you im going to punch you’ and then at night, he will get out his bed repeatedly just to laugh at us and call us names.
if you ask him to stop doing something, or you become upset he will push harder. If you take something off him, he will become violent and smash everything up.
the weeks he is like this, i feel like its not my child its someone else and sadly I feel like i absolutely despise him and being around him. Its a massive part of him however, and sometimes its just one week with a few weeks break and others its 2 months.
unable to find triggers for why it works like this.
its patience testing to an absolutely insane level, every bad behaviour that is a parents nightmare, amplified.
if i leave him to ‘calm down’ I have to take my other child, then they dont want to go back in there, then they have a meltdown and im trying to not have anybody sleep with me because they get excited about it and dont sleep, and less sleep means im more angry!

fucking HATE my life

every time i ask for help i get shut down

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Reversetail · 04/02/2026 20:28

He needs an ehcp assessment asap. It sounds as though he is in main stream school which is not meeting his needs, find the correct school setting, specialist school and this will help a lot. My daughter has autism with pda profile. Our local autism team were able to visit at home and advocate for us with the school. Start with and push for or submit yourselves an application for an ehc assessment and request a social care assessment as part of that. Unfortunately it all a big fight.

sprigatito · 04/02/2026 20:36

Look at post-school restraint collapse - even if he’s attached to his teacher and he’s managing to hold it together at school, the strain on him will be immense and it’s really common for ND kids to be explosive at home. When DS1 was that age we had a sensory set-up to help him decompress after school - it was a pop-up tent with lights and soft cushions/blankets, fidget toys, and a box full of fabric scraps he was allowed to chew (he chewed his clothes when he was stressed).

I’m not going to have a go at you for smacking him, but you know this isn’t something you want to happen again, so you need to plan what you’re going to do next time he pushes you too far and you start to see red. I would walk away when I felt overwhelmed, go into another room and shut the door, taking the other child with me if necessary. Kids with PDA can make you very angry very quickly, and under the anger is fear, because it’s our job to teach them to behave like socialised, empathetic humans and it can feel like there’s no way to do that. You just have to take it one day at a time - pick your battles, reduce demands as much as possible, be calm and consistent. Remember that just because he can’t do something (like control himself) now, it doesn’t mean he never will. Keep pushing for support through every avenue available, and try to make sure you get the basics right for yourself - eating and sleeping properly, taking real breaks - because you can’t pour from an empty cup.

13MAPARTHELL · 04/02/2026 20:38

Reversetail · 04/02/2026 20:28

He needs an ehcp assessment asap. It sounds as though he is in main stream school which is not meeting his needs, find the correct school setting, specialist school and this will help a lot. My daughter has autism with pda profile. Our local autism team were able to visit at home and advocate for us with the school. Start with and push for or submit yourselves an application for an ehc assessment and request a social care assessment as part of that. Unfortunately it all a big fight.

Thank you’ we are currently going through fhe appeal process as they refused fo assess but i am hopeful!

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GreenTheme · 04/02/2026 20:42

13MAPARTHELL · 04/02/2026 19:18

Social services, disability nurse, cahms, early help.

he has such severe anger issues / we had issues at school at the start, now hes better there and close to his teacher and understanding the expectations BUT i reported that we often see friends from school in other settings by accident, and things get violent.

went to soft play, saw a girl from school within an hour i saw him cornering her and hitting and pushing her.

i refuse to take him to soft play birthday parties - its a small class and im doing it for his own good but its hurtful of course - he’s usually unaware of the invite

Could it be he's masking in school and it's all spilling out at home? School is very demand heavy and holding it together there could be taking all the regulation he has.

Notasbigasithink · 04/02/2026 20:48

13MAPARTHELL · 04/02/2026 19:10

My 5 YO has ASD, PDA.
he has no delays in speech or communication.
there are some weeks, where his behaviour is absolutely unbearable. Hitting him is absolutely not acceptable and I am very ashamed. When I say unbearable, he calls me names, talks back and will tell us to ‘fucking shut up’ every time we speak, repeatedly target his little brother and be violent toward him. He will refuse everything, all while hysterically laughing in my face, he will wake at 3am, eyes open and first words ‘i want to kill my brother’ or ‘i hate you im going to punch you’ and then at night, he will get out his bed repeatedly just to laugh at us and call us names.
if you ask him to stop doing something, or you become upset he will push harder. If you take something off him, he will become violent and smash everything up.
the weeks he is like this, i feel like its not my child its someone else and sadly I feel like i absolutely despise him and being around him. Its a massive part of him however, and sometimes its just one week with a few weeks break and others its 2 months.
unable to find triggers for why it works like this.
its patience testing to an absolutely insane level, every bad behaviour that is a parents nightmare, amplified.
if i leave him to ‘calm down’ I have to take my other child, then they dont want to go back in there, then they have a meltdown and im trying to not have anybody sleep with me because they get excited about it and dont sleep, and less sleep means im more angry!

fucking HATE my life

every time i ask for help i get shut down

I don't mean to sound patronising as I'm sure you've probably tried everything but have you taken a really close look at his diet?
There are substantial links now to triggers from processed foods, certain allergens and artificial sweeteners. Unfortunately it would mean a completely clean and elimination diet which might appear to be fairly brutal at first but if it starts to make a difference and help identify some triggers, it might well be worth investigating?

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 04/02/2026 21:11

DS is autistic, used to have horrendously violent meltdowns. Melatonin helped hugely, so it's well worth investigating this.

The other thing that was massively useful was a group run by Action for Children that aimed to help children with additional needs with emotional regulation. It was funded by our LA, so no idea if you have anything similar locally but it's worth asking around to see if there is anything similar, though 5 might be too young.

In my experience CAMHS are bloody useless. Looking for help from charities, the school and social services worked out best for us - the latter two mainly signposted, but they may be aware of services you're not aware of or that need a professional to make a referral.

drspouse · 04/02/2026 21:25

Many clinicians say that good behaviour at school followed by appalling behaviour at home is because school is more structured. We find this to be true in reverse because we have always pushed DS particularly academically at home (because no bugger at school would) and he improved behaviour at home first because he always knew what was coming next.

I'm not sure if you would have a paediatrician (the poster below mentioning this is either American or using AI,) but if you do you can ask for melatonin and if not you can get it online. DS is 14 and on 4mg/night, weekdays only.

Mkaydcdjkxjd · 04/02/2026 21:30

I feel for you OP. But I don't think you did anything wrong in the first place. It seems "just talking to him" isn't working and I doubt how else you'd make him change.

GetAbsOrDieTrying · 04/02/2026 22:07

Sounds horrendous! Really feel for you. Was he always like this?! What did you use to discipline him when he was younger? Sounds like he is being manipulative now even though he might have additional needs. I think it is important for kids to know you are in charge and in control as that makes them feel safe. That doesn’t mean you raise your voice or hit them but it still means you make them realise who is the Boss. Else they will take the piss. His behaviour needs consequences because otherwise as he gets bigger if he continues like this he will need to be institutionalised or become a danger both to you and society in general.

LemaxObsessive · 04/02/2026 23:50

It sounds to me like he is lacking consequences for his actions. I have a child with Autism and one of the biggest realisations was that although yes, autistic kids exploding at home after masking at school all day is very much a thing, they can also be badly behaved as well, without it being anything to do with autism.
I’m not saying your son’s behaviour is not due to his autism, obviously, but that some of it will be and some of it won’t. The key for us was recognising what is & isn't an autism-related behaviour vs plain 6/7/8/9/10/11 year old kid being simply badly behaved, and then giving consequences for the latter.
I think the reason this worked for us, was because as a result, DD began to form a better idea of what expected behaviours were… If I’d just let her do/say whatever she liked (which I’m absolutely not suggesting that’s what you’re doing btw op), blamed it all on Autism and never gave her consequences then she’d end up without any guidance whatsoever. And regardless of what some parents may say, children with Autism categorically do still very much need guidance & consequences; in the case of my DD at least, I’d argue that being autistic means they need even more guidance & discipline: just delivered with a different approach.
Edited to add: When I said consequences, I wasn’t referring to smacking! I chose not to comment on that at all.

BertieBotts · 05/02/2026 09:41

This really does need professional support and I'm sorry it's so hard to access that. The PDA website course sounds useful.

The only book which helped me when my child was like this was Big Baffling Behaviours by Robyn Gobbel. It has a metaphor of a "Guard dog brain" for dysregulation and it has several stages of this with advice on how to respond within each stage. This helped enormously because, as a PP said, it's about breaking the cycle where you become reactive to them (which I have also done, and I completely understand as well as understanding your desperation not to let it happen again but not knowing how). I also like Conscious Discipline (both their own resources, and Mr. Chazz) because again they talk about 2 different "levels" of dysregulation and how you can recognise when children are moving back down from the most intense/violent state to a state where they are still emotional and still not likely to engage with anything but it is improving. Because otherwise when you're in the middle of a meltdown like this, it feels impossible and like there is no way out. Or you notice the shift to a lesser state of dysregulation and you jump the gun a bit and think it's time to start talking when it really isn't yet, they need a lot more time to come down to baseline. This can be especially frustrating because if you feel like you're getting out of it and then accidentally escalate them back up it feels relentless like it is never going to end.

I know it doesn't help in the moment but DS2 also said things about killing or violent acts which there was no way he could actually do but it was still upsetting to hear such things coming out of his mouth. What I think was going on with DS was that he was saying the most shocking/impactful thing he could imagine because words were what he could access at that moment, and his words were not literal but an expression of how big his feeling of anger/powerlessness was in that moment. Something I found which would sometimes help was to reply in a very matter of fact way such as saying things like "Nah, I don't think you could chop an arm off. Arm bones are really tough and you'd need a really big saw." This would often lead to a discussion about the mechanics of chopping off an arm which would bring him into a much calmer space because he would have moved from that defensive, watchdog brain into the curious, more logical (even though sometimes disturbingly detached!) kind of brain space. And eventually the discussion would come down to remind him anyway - we wouldn't ever chop someone's arm off in real life, because arms don't grow back, the only time someone's arm gets chopped off by a doctor is if the arm is very badly injured and can't be saved. Or sometimes it would go into a discussion of prison (ie what might happen to someone who chopped someone's arm off) and sometimes that would scare/worry him and then I would be able to reassure him that I am bigger and stronger than him and I would not let him chop anyone's arm off, and when he was older and bigger and stronger, he would be able to stop himself because grown ups can do that, even if they are very angry.

He does not get as dysregulated any more, because he has a diagnosis of ADHD (we live somewhere PDA is not diagnosed) and takes ADHD medication and this makes a world of difference. With the dysregulated behaviour, it often doesn't seem to follow a pattern because essentially I have noticed two things - firstly, it can build up over a series of days and basically if they have no outlet to relieve the dysregulation (and we never found one which worked reliably - I don't know if an OT specialising in sensory integration who could have come and observed us over several days at home might have been able to) then it will eventually reach a tipping point after which they can't do anything about it. And while DS used to be incredibly dysregulated by school, he also couldn't tell us what at school was bothering him and his accounts would frequently be jumbled and not make very much sense. School were no use because they didn't have the faintest idea what dysregulation was, so they couldn't look for clues themselves.

The second thing I noticed was that once he was past that tipping point, and sometimes the tipping point would be hit earlier than others, then it would frequently trigger a downward spiral, like a runaway train because he would completely disengage from the world and people didn't really understand (including me probably) and would keep trying to engage with him as though he was fully present and then get frustrated or wound up at his nonsensical response, which would increase his dysregulation. OR because his go-to when dysregulated is often to be incredibly loud and seek a reaction from anybody any way he could, his behaviour would irritate/escalate others around him and this would wind him up more. And when he was in that state he also couldn't access any interoceptive input, so he had no idea that he needed the toilet, or was too hot, or hungry or whatever. Sometimes he'd get little glimpses of it e.g. when a teacher was telling him off about something he'd realise he needed the toilet and ask to go, and they thought he was trying to avoid being told off and would say no/not right now, and he would understand this as meaning he wasn't allowed to go to the toilet at all, and would escalate again.

So if he was a bit dysregulated but "lucky" with it then it might dissipate on its own especially if it happened to be near a breaktime or similar, but if he was dysregulated and it happened to get latched onto by someone else then it would just flip into that escalating spiral. And sometimes if the dysregulation had built up over multiple days then it was less likely it would dissipate on its own.

So the key to managing dysregulation is basically 3-fold - you want to try and reduce sources of dysregulation in the environment generally, which might mean looking at tools to reduce sensory input, increasing predictability by using tools like a visual timetable/now and next board or having a very structured approach which is not deviated from, reducing demands, instructions being broken into steps, or him having tools for this (e.g. covering over part of a worksheet with a spare sheet of paper), more processing time, using communication strategies like declarative language or picture boards, trying to ensure basic needs like nutrition/sleep/etc are met whatever that means (e.g. a less balanced diet or melatonin). We have always had trying for a poo in the bedtime routine as well as it helps prevent constipation and that horrendous cycle. Increasing safety by prioritising relationships with key adults - can any adult at school spend 2 mins asking him about a special interest or just conversing with him without any demands in that conversation? Does he have a safe space/safe adult at school he is allowed to go to when he needs to? Is it a possibility for someone to be 1:1 with him for any portion of the day and help "translate" either his needs or the requests of the teacher/other adults/other children to him?

And try to protect some form of decompressing for him at home which he must have access to every single day. Whether this is something like a sensory swing or a lot of outdoor time or a sport or creative outlet or even something like Minecraft if that's what he's into. Don't get stuck in wondering whether it's a reward - it's a coping strategy.

And use de-escalation strategies in the moment - don't get caught up in the dysregulation yourself and contribute to the destructive spiral.

All MUCH easier said than done and may involve a lot of trial and error and unfortunately the "error" part of this isn't always immediately obvious so it is really really tough, the space you are in. Just know that you are not alone and there are others who have been there or are there.

BertieBotts · 05/02/2026 09:45

Oh and any kind of approach where you "show them who's boss" or try to rely on bigger and scarier consequences generally makes everything worse. A child like this is in survival mode and already seeing you as a threat and this is how they respond to that threat. Being a bigger threat will not make the situation better, it will just make it worse.

There is a place for consequences, and I agree with a PP who said they can help make it clear what the line is for acceptable behaviour, but like everything else they need to be extremely structured, predictable and not conflict based, and there also needs to be understanding that a lot of the time meltdown/dysregulated behaviour isn't a choice. I can come back to this but I need to take a break from the computer now.

2old4thispoo · 05/02/2026 09:56

I have 2 sons who were very similar to how you describe your ds.
Especially my younger ds.

He held it together in school until Yr1 and then it was like a tsunami...

Now years later I realise those words, those hideous words, language etc was the boys trying to articulate how they felt, which even as young adults, they struggle to recognise how they actually feel.

I would start by getting an assessment (privately) from a child psychologist.

Learn all you can about Autism, anxiety and PDA.

I wish you the best as its a long journey and process but remember his behaviour is about his unmet needs not him being naughty.

wfhwfh · 05/02/2026 10:11

This is really hard for you - I’m so sorry.

How did your son react when you smacked him?

I dont have any advice but please free yourself from the guilt

MissAustenMadeAQuilt · 05/02/2026 10:30

What did he do that caused you to smack him?

How did he react after he was smacked?

Because if he calmed down, then was it such a bad thing to do?

QuickPeachPoet · 05/02/2026 10:36

He needs medicating. Your family deserve to be kept safe from his vile behaviour. Your poor other son, and you!

Whoknows101 · 05/02/2026 10:46

It's clear you need help and it's odd that you haven't been able to with the extreme behaviour you describe. Is there no social services involvement at all?

It sounds like some of the usual challenges are layered with some additional behaviour that seems massively inappropriate for a 5 year old (year R age....) to have been exposed to - the swearing / violence & aggressive, violent language, for example. Where in his environment is he picking all this up from? School or home?

Is there an individual in his life displaying this behaviour? Is he watching violent video games or TV? You've sworn in nearly every message and called him a shit - how often is this being directed at him or around him?

There seems to be more going on for him than is explained by autism and PDA.

Whoknows101 · 05/02/2026 11:00

QuickPeachPoet · 05/02/2026 10:36

He needs medicating. Your family deserve to be kept safe from his vile behaviour. Your poor other son, and you!

This little boy is 5 years old.

BertieBotts · 05/02/2026 11:01

It's not odd at all, the systems which are meant to provide such support are completely overwhelmed.

If by odd you mean it's shocking and unsustainable, I completely agree with you.

If by odd you mean unusual/unbelievable, very sadly not the case at all. It's completely the norm for families dealing with this kind of behaviour in the UK in 2026.

Splendidsupergreat · 05/02/2026 11:10

Sounds awful OP. Just an idea, is it worth videoing him when he behaves like this? Esp as it seems to occur out of sight of everyone else. At least you'll have evidence. It might be worth doing over a 2 week period at different times so it shows a pattern and not just a one off.

QuickPeachPoet · 05/02/2026 11:14

Whoknows101 · 05/02/2026 11:00

This little boy is 5 years old.

And he is holding his family to ransom with his violence, foul language and general unpleasantness. The other child has a right to a family life too.
The child needs medicating for his own and everyone else's safety. One day he will be older, stronger, and will hurt a member of the public or his family and will then be in real trouble.

ApplebyArrows · 05/02/2026 11:35

Where has he learned to swear like that?

Iwantamarshmallowman · 05/02/2026 12:05

My DD has Autisum and PDA. Its the hardest thing in the world and it is definitely taking a toll on younger DS. Our social worker helped us make a referal to young carers for him. it means he'll have some time away from the home just to be himself but also hopefully acknowledge the sacrifices he makes for his sister. He also joined scouts which has given him loads of confidence.
Do they share a bedroom ? is there anyway you can divide the room or convert a living space? ours were sharing out of choice but recently DS has moved back into his own bedroom, having their own safe spaces has really helped.
It helped us to keep a note of when DD is agressive or has a violent outbust so we can see what her triggers are. One of the things I've noticed about my DD is that she becomes very agressive with DS when she is anxious about his safety or wellbeing. She loves him very much but does make threats towards him to alleviate her anxiety. Have you considered doing an NVR course? We were referred by social services but we couldn't get a place as there were more extreme cases.
I found loads of helpful stuff on instagram regarding PDA. Please dont beat yourself up it sounds like your doing eveything you can in a really difficult situation. Do you have any one to support you? sometimes I just need to vent.

13MAPARTHELL · 05/02/2026 13:17

BertieBotts · 05/02/2026 09:45

Oh and any kind of approach where you "show them who's boss" or try to rely on bigger and scarier consequences generally makes everything worse. A child like this is in survival mode and already seeing you as a threat and this is how they respond to that threat. Being a bigger threat will not make the situation better, it will just make it worse.

There is a place for consequences, and I agree with a PP who said they can help make it clear what the line is for acceptable behaviour, but like everything else they need to be extremely structured, predictable and not conflict based, and there also needs to be understanding that a lot of the time meltdown/dysregulated behaviour isn't a choice. I can come back to this but I need to take a break from the computer now.

Its really challenging because hes trigger is control, sometimes when hes in moods like this, its non negotiable with him & this is where hes anger stems from.
when hes not in these moods we can negotiate.

He dosnt see us as a threat but sort of everything around him? He pushes back massively on us, when i hit him he cried for a minute and then calms down (shock)

which of course isnt nice, apart from a cry for a few seconds, he then is regulated afterwards - im not condoning.

he was hitting, smashing and swearing at me

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