Moving problem schoolchildren to another school?

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Why are problem teens like the killer of Harvey Willgoose and Brianna Ghey just moved to another school.

What happened to bring expelled. All your doing is moving the problem around.

Both these pupils had problems and incidents at their previous schools!

Surely if you get expelled that's on the pupils and the parents.

Parents problem. Teach them at home or whatever. If you can't control your child and they are out of hand because of you why should others suffer?

Everything starts at home. There's a real lack of parental accountability here.
Teenagers got expelled for a reason that's it.

Theirs and their parents problem.
Absolutely no discipline at home no doubt and no respect for anyone even their parents.

In alot of countries people value an education and wouldn't do anything to warrant being expelled.
It's a disgrace really.
School wasn't easy but I can't imagine being expelled. Shameful.

Because they are still entitled to an education

Because their parents may not be equipped to educate them at home

Because problems at home may be the root of their own issues and by forcing them into that environment full time it will likely get worse

Becauae without an education they will not be employable and will be permanent drain on the tax payer and society.

I'm aware that all these positives might not come to fruition anyway, but they still should have a chance to turn it around rather than be thrown on the scrapheap.

I'm not excusing how vile their actions were or disagreeing with you about parental responsibility btw. But writing kids off before they're out of their teens isn't the way to go.

The one who stabbed Harvey Willgoose is on remand or in prison.

And the killers of Brian Gey will not be in school. They don’t just allow killers back into society.

I don’t know about these specific cases, but did expelled ever mean “never allowed into any school”? I always thought it was a case of going to a different school

The two in question are now in custody and are still a drain on the taxpayer.

Wasn't it a people referral unit?

Usually if you are expelled (the phrase these days is permanently excluded) it’s either try another mainstream school, go to special school if you were permanently excluded due to needs relating to your disability or go to a PRU (pupil referral unit) which is for students whose behaviour is currently too extreme for mainstream.

i believe youth detention centres are expected to have educational aspects

Everything starts at home. There's a real lack of parental accountability here. Teenagers got expelled for a reason that's it.

Not everything starts at home and sometimes the reason children get expelled is because they are in an unsuitable school.

In alot of countries people value an education and wouldn't do anything to warrant being expelled.

Purely because you are being so judgemental and critical, I can’t help but point out that it’s a lot not alot. Shame you didn’t value your education.

And what do you think will happen when they're left at home and probably not receiving any education at all? They'll magically become stellar participants in society?

Sometimes managed moves are sucessful at giving a young person a fresh start with a different set of peers and staff. They are simpler to arrange than the permanent exclusion criteria.

Permanent exclusion does mean that the young person needs to continue their education elsewhere. Sometimes another mainstream school is suitable and there's also a lack of specialist provision including PRUs which are a shorter term rehab type of setting.

Well the boy convicted for killing Harvey Wilgoose was on a managed move from another school but they didn’t check his records properly so apparently were unaware of previous violence.

If permanent suspension meant forbidden to go to any school then there would be an increase in pupils who would misbehave so that they can be PE too. What do you think these kids would do? Best case scenario stay home and game all day, worst case scenario start a life of crime out of boredom.

• I’d rather have a typo in my text than a flaw in my character that finds joy in being a grammar bully. But hey, thanks for the proofread!"

Terrible pupil behaviour around today. Teachers leaving in droves. Even if people are not expelled teachers are having to put up with so much more. Facts.

Put it back on the parents.

So what's your solution op? How would you support these troubled children to become valuable members of society?

Yes that was a terrible incompetence.
He shouldn't have been moved.

All they did is move the problem around.

If the kids get expelled, it's the family's problem to deal with.

Maybe if more parents were held accountable there wouldn't be so many problems.

What about the children who don't have parents? Who shall we blame then?

There is a direct link between rates of pupils expelled and knife crime. If you start expelling kids from school, violent crime will increase as a direct consequence. The best way to address is through early intervention. Most of which has been stopped through austerity

I agree with you. Kick them out, lock them up, educate them in chokey for all I care. Decent people should not have to be around thugs like that.

Kids with psychosis and schizophrenia aren’t a result of parenting,

there are lots of conditions that result in behaviour not appropriate at a mainstream school that are nothing to do with parenting.

What does troubled mean? What's the difference between troubled and plain horrible and out of hand?

What would you say to Harvey Willgooses parents whose son was killed by a boy who had been moved from another school?

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Exactly this. As appealing as it is to remove kids with behavioural issues to protect other kids, the reality is that it results in their spending more time out on the streets. (Unless, as PP have said, they are murderers and are locked up).

Parents and local authorities have a responsibility to ensure that children are educated, even when they are permanently excluded from school.

As a PP has said it's in all our interests that troubled teens get an education so they can contribute to society rather than be a drain.

Yes, bad behaviour very often is the parents fault but leaving this kids entirely to adults who also have problems is unlikely to go well.

if there had been 130 incidents at the previous school of the kid who killed HW, he should not have been moved to the new school and a young lad, with everything to live for, would still be alive if he had been dealt with properly. That kind of violence doesn't need 'managed move', it needs full intervention. A poor lad is dead. A lad is now in prison. Two lives ruined, and many more lives changed forever. 130 incidents is not the time for liberal hand wringing and 'one more chance' territory.

You mentioned taxpayers in previous messages. I suspect it’s far cheaper to have these kids at school than in jail.

YABU and simplistic.

The first reply explains quite a lot to you, but do you seriously think there is ANY chance of pupils who are expelled buckling down at home to be educated both academically and morally if they have got to their teens in such a way that they need to be expelled ?
You can't seriously think they will choose to put down their knives and become nice young men and positive contributors to society ?

'Society' - particularly since austerity kicked in in 2010 - made choices to cut all the preventative services. All the services that were doing work that is quite difficult to measure, as it prevents crime rather than reacting to it. Massively, the Youth Service. In my LA, by 2020, the Youth Service's budget sat at 5% of what it had been in 2010. Take a moment to consider that.
Then add on lack of funding in the probation service, the Youth Justice system, the mental health system, the wiping out of Sure Start and all the work that did with young families, and of course Social Care. Then think about the LA funding that used to help support charities such as HomeStart and 101 other charities that worked with young families and with teens.

'Society' needs to be prepared to return to paying more tax, if we want to support a flourishing society. Not just have a knee jerk reaction every time a baby dying gets reported in the press, or a teen being stabbed hits the press.