To not get the visceral levels of hatred people have for Keir Starmer

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I’m not suggesting he’s the greatest prime minister ever. I’m not even suggesting he’s good at all. But some people really, really passionately hate him.

He is a bit insipid and doesn’t have much charisma but overall he seems like a decent enough bloke who perhaps lacks the political skill and acumen he needs. He’s out of his depth basically.

But that’s not a reason to actually despise someone is it?

When did we get to a point where we can’t just disagree without painting the other person as the devil incarnate?

Ah, your ‘own truth’, you mean.

Got it.

The PP is all bitter and twisted from 40+ years ago…

Right wing press isn't it.
So scared of anything possibly changing the status quo for the rich.
I believe Labour under the excellent leadership of Sir Keir Starmer are focused on making life better for the many, not the few.
You won't read much about their successes in the press or hear much about it from the BBC in my opinion

So on the basis only you seem to know what these "sucesses" are, unlike everyone else who have just been reading the "right wing" press like the bbc (ahem) it would be really helpful if you could list them for us all?

At least I’m not delusional.

Ooh, I’d like to hear some of their successes too!

It might make me feel better about what I’m reading about Downing Street now lying about his previous actions in trying to seriously hamper the ability of our armed forces to defend our country.

Downing Street has claimed this week that Sir Keir was not “advocating for” claimants bringing cases against British troops, and said a Telegraph report on his support for using the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) to investigate soldiers was a “desperate and deliberate misrepresentation”.
However, the newly uncovered documents from the earlier stage of the case show Sir Keir and Lord Hermer arguing that human rights laws should be used to impose a “mandatory duty” on the Government to investigate British troops and to provide compensation to Iraqi victims.

from today’s Telegraph.

I think of all the previous Conservative PMs that Sunak was one of the best and a decent person but he was given an almost impossible legacy plus no time to turn it around.

But the Tory party members only have themselves to blame for choosing Johnson and then Truss.

There is a left-wing press such as the Guardian that people can read if they want.

He's very good on the world stage and is handling Trump brilliantly. If Farage was in charge Trump would have made Scotland part of the US by now. Sadly, in a few years we will have Reform in charge and we can wallow in the shit we've unleashed then.

You continue to post from a parochial, small town NE England perspective - whilst hankering after some long-lost Camelot. And all the while, global macroeconomic tectonic plates had shifted (a process which is now accelerating). And yet you blame Thatcher - I call that truly delusional.

I shall leave you with this.

Nationally, the financial and professional services industry contributed a record £110.2bn to the public purse in 2023. This is 12.3% of total UK tax receipts: more than the government’s annual education budget and more than half the health budget.

• Growth: Between 2016 and 2023, the total tax contribution increased by over a quarter (£23.3bn).

By all means, enjoy the fruits of other’s labour - but perhaps you would like to give Thatcher some credit, where it’s due.

Who are also increasingly critical of Starmer and Reeves….

I think he’s inflicting serious damage on the security of the UK, he’ll get no sympathy from me.

I’m interested in these “successes” as well. What are they? He came back from china crowing about billions in investments. From what I can see it’s pharmaceutical companies investing billions in china while we get the mega spy embassy. Prat. Wtf is his obsession with getting rid of the chagos islands, I thought the tories were fucking stupid to even kick this off in the first place but he seems hellbent on doing it for some reason,

A PP wishes to blame Thatcher for all the UK’s ills - whilst ignoring all she did for the UK. Perhaps she wishes that the residents of the Falklands Islands were now speaking Spanish, for example.

History will look back on Starmer, however, and there will be no successes in the credit column of his short tenure - just a trail of deceit, incompetence, indecision, and infighting. He will be judged harshly, and justifiably so.

https://www.facebook.com/asianchronicle/videos/red-carpet-awkwardness-chinas-premier-pulls-british-pm-keir-starmer-into-positio/900199949230287/

Hold on! the "legacy" he inherited was one of his own making, the recession he gave the UK in the last 6months of 2023, was ALL of his making.

He squandered 29bn on HS2 before cancelling the project, he gave away billions to business during covid in fraudulent claims, the rate of tax increases was way above anything Reeves has done.. note "rate".

He/Hunt cut NI without any idea on how it would be funded, that immediately meant Reeves had to find 11bn per year.

He also went into the GE promising to cut UK army numbers even further... bit of a visionary is your Rishi!

BUT even if you dismiss all of the above, which i'm sure you'll do, the question on his competency should really be "Why on earth did he call the GE months before he had too?"

According to his fangirls and boys on here, Rwanda would have been a stunning success, x ch boats, a thing of the past, the economy would have boomed.... Sunny uplands all round!

...ah just more attempts at put downs that you and another pp seem to thrive on.

Unfortunately, its a theme on MN and elsewhere, got to ask, if your so sure of your "facts" ..... why post after post is done to shut out any other pov.

One pp was even quite viciously accused of being related to KS himself because she backed Labour.

the question on his competency should really be "Why on earth did he call the GE months before he had too?"

Not so much a question of competence as judgement. Many politicians gamble - Sunak rolled the dice, premised, in part, on softening inflation. In fairness, he also called out Starmer repeatedly during campaigning. Starmer lied and evaded. It’s all there, on record.

Well I have my reasons for despising Thatcher :
Thatcher caused so much terrible damage to our country .
The architect of so much misery for normal people which continues today ..
She began the sell off of our country’s assets to her mates and foreign investors whilst making hypocritical speeches about patriotism.during the Falklands war which she cynically created by removing their sea defence ( against the advice of all senior Naval staff ) .
She sold off our council housing stock .

She began the insidious, behind the scenes privatisation of the NHS by selling off the cleaning contracts . This created chaos on the wards . She got rid of thousands of hospital beds & closed training hospitals .

She demolished NHS dentistry by several methods so that today the biggest cause for childhood GA is tooth extraction.
This currently both costs the taxpayer a fortune & causes untold distress and pain for children .(We had pretty much eliminated dental decay by the 1980s ). She allowed the corporates to buy up multiple dental practices. Previously only Dentists could own and run dental surgeries . Dentistry has become a luxury.

She allowed foreign corporates to buy up so many of our other vital services ( eg water & sewage ) and infrastructure . We were told at the time that private companies would run things more efficiently.
She actively protected several appalling paedophiles amongst her close advisors , both within & without her cabinet despite the police informing her of their activities. The most ‘famous ‘ of whom was Savile , whom she insisted on knighting..

You are completely correct .

According to right wing posters on here, Rwanda was just about to bear fruit, inflation falling, growth booming (0.6%)

So he had everything to gain... or did he? according to Jenrick and others, the cabinet agreed Rwanda wouldn't work... the BoE has said that (on record) inflation was set to rise.... and an NI cut to fund....

We had a prison system falling apart too .

Oh yes Sunak took a judgement, a judgement based on things were about to get a whole lot worse.... all of which were as a result of his & his parties policies...

Well, don’t fret, because you have Labour in government currently, of course.
And, being the grownups in the room, they are busy fixing the foundations, filling black holes etc.

How’s that going btw?

Ok actually, Gilt yields generally falling, UK tax receipts up, NHS reform and investment happening.
& budget deficit predicted to fall from its very high levels in 23/24, down to 4.5% from 5.2%

I think though Labour need to do more, much more but after a terrible start, its getting better.

I believe your mates in the Telegraph are predicting an economic boom over the next 2 or 3 years.

Yes, judgement about his own competence!

There is no need to be so bloody rude.