To think we shouldn’t have to contribute to soch if we don’t intend to use it?

[slozenger]

For example, I don’t want a state pension - so I should surely be able to opt out of soch based contributions percentage. And just pay a lesser amount to cover anything I do take advantage of.

But they're definitely defiant!
Painfully so.

🤢 <not envy>

Given you don’t understand basic maths, it’s highly unlikely you’re a net contributor.

What does it mean? I’ve never heard it before and Google doesn’t seem to think it’s an English word either.
You are more than welcome to opt out of paying a state pension - just don’t pay NI, or give your state pension to charity when you receive it.

Why wouldn’t you want to receive a state pension though? Are you that rich that it wouldn’t make a difference?

errrr. quote a part where I did not explain basic math?

Your post proposes that you don't pay your full whack into society. Because you will choose not to take part of what you pay for. Is that right?

If you take a pension or not is immaterial. You have benefited from those before you who have payed their full whack. The teachers who taught you, the doctors who looked after you, probably the parents who raised you.

I get a bit fed up of those people who think tax is a burden. Tax is part of the price we pay for living in a decent society.

If someone really doesn't want to be part of that society, they should go and live off grid, with no roads, schools health care of education from birth.

What happens if you go out when well, but still need an ambulance? It will still cost money. You don't have to give consent if you're unconscious.

Hi there, can you explain what soch means? Never heard it before and Google doesn’t know what it is either.

But that could change.You could for example go postal and kill someone and end up in prison for twenty years costing the country many more times the cost of your pension. Or you could be in an accident resulting in you being in a vegetative state for years , again costing a lot more than your state pension. If someone dies just before they reach pensionable age then the pension they would have drawn goes back into the system, why should you be allowed to opt out of that action?

I read an article the other day about the quarter of a million graduates under the age of thirty who have decided they are too frail to work because they are “anxious” so are claiming benefits. I don’t particularly relish contributing out of my taxed pension to them sitting at home, not working, not contributing financially , not repaying their student loans etc etc, but accept that that is the system that has been collectively agreed and to sanction them would be difficult, costly and would hurt those genuinely unable to work. It is called being part of the system , and despite its faults it more or less works for most of us. I for one don’t want to see a system that is already under strain placed under greater stress by people who think it is like the pick and mix sweetie counter.

surely you're mis-spelling "sheesh"?!
😂

The assumption is that lots of people die before getting their pension - and of course their families don't get a refund. So individuals opting out would just be in the same boat. There's no money out there with your name on it

I have only read part of the thread, but just going on the title, what is "soch"? I have worked in healthcare with socially disadvantaged people my whole life and I have never heard of it. It is definitely not "self-explanatory". If it is some kind of regional term, you do realise that this site has quite a diverse and geographically wide readership?

OP, you might want to locate your nearest dictionary and familiarise yourself with the meaning of the term 'society'.

I dont even live in the UK any more but because my business is there I still pay taxes there. As I should.

TBH, there is NO part of this entire thread where you do explain basic math.

Just lots and lots of places where you astound us all with an amazing lack of knowledge/ awareness, and leave us incredulous at the notion that you are currently being paid over £75k/year by somebody, for doing something...

Oh sure, sure, I will pay for your life choices my entire child-free life but you don’t need to worry about people like me at all? What?

Soshchiety

Who / what is Soch? Is this typo?

What about people that earn too much to qualify for childcare etc? Should they be exempt?

I don't really want to pay for people's kids though. There's already far too many humans on this planet, most of which live in poverty.

I think you’ve misunderstood how the internet and MN works, as well as some of the basics of economics, taxation and social policy.

As you were.

Are you mad? If you were in an accident who do you think would come to your aid. An ambulance paid for by all of us ! An emergency operation to save your life or repair your body and an intensive care bed to restore you to health hopefully! Nutcase!

And I believe we should all invest in other peoples children residing in our country.
They are the future!

It was never sosh /soch..it was ssc exactly what is said social security contributions. Where you got the sosh is a lot of old tosh I am being polite

Depends. Where do you work? 🤔