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Schools asking for parental contributions

238 replies

ButamIwhoyouthinkIam · 27/01/2026 19:40

I’m sure this one will be divisive and is partly down to personal politics but I’m interested in the consensus.

state funded primary, good catchment, in deficit, like many others.

email last week to suggest a voluntary contribution from parents to cover essential materials, lays out case etc. but already have quite a few requests annually for enrichment and also trips. Has active PTA and most families donate to this through usual calendar of events.

email sets out rising costs of utilities etc and asks parents to plug the gap. I’m not sure this is the right solution for something that is inherently gov funded and it feels like a slippery slope.

IABU: it’s reasonable for schools to ask this and for parents to be happy to pay

YABU: a different option eg lobbying gov or showing the deficit would be more reasonable. Contributing financially allows the funding problem to be hidden

OP posts:
StandingSideBySide · 28/01/2026 11:16

Thechaseison71 · 28/01/2026 11:10

What do you suppose that happens in a very small village school when there is less than 30 kids spread over 3 years?

Small village schools are used to it though
and parents living in these areas will not have expectations otherwise

LondonPapa · 28/01/2026 11:16

Honestly I’m a little sick of the local primary school asking for donations. It is so bad and we’re in a very affluent area. Have big regrets over picking an ‘outstanding’ state versus private now.

MajorProcrastination · 28/01/2026 11:17

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/01/2026 10:55

I think the elephant in the room is when we start moving away from the very expensive TPS.

you would be future proofing a c25% reduction in salary costs.

they’ve already done this in mos universities

what's a TPS?

Isekaied · 28/01/2026 11:18

TeenToTwenties · 27/01/2026 19:54

What will happen to the schools in disadvantaged areas where getting parents to cover the funding gap isn't possible?

I understand why schools would like it, but it won't resolve systemic issues.

Exactly

It's shouldn't be needed.

I would pay if asked.

But what about schools where parents cant contribute because they don't have enough?

Dragonflytamer · 28/01/2026 11:24

LondonPapa · 28/01/2026 11:16

Honestly I’m a little sick of the local primary school asking for donations. It is so bad and we’re in a very affluent area. Have big regrets over picking an ‘outstanding’ state versus private now.

Haha. Private schools asks for contributions all the time too at much higher rates. They are just called supplements to the fees rather than donation.

Fiftyniftystates · 28/01/2026 11:24

MajorProcrastination · 28/01/2026 11:17

what's a TPS?

Teachers pension scheme

noblegiraffe · 28/01/2026 11:25

People here seem to be talking about advantaged parents having to make up for the lack of pupil premium money for their kids like their kids are missing out because they’re not pupil premium.

It completely misses the point that pupil premium is to try to get disadvantaged kids levels of support equal to that enjoyed by non-disadvantaged kids before parents are even asked to put their hands in their pockets.

ACynicalDad · 28/01/2026 11:27

A primary school budget is about £1.5m if you have 30 children in each year. What parents give will barely change the dial. The vast majority of costs are wages, keeping salaried headcount manageable and classes full is the only way to really make it work. But they are not being unreasonable for asking for a voluntary contribution, but few will raise enough to cover one TA.

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/01/2026 11:28

MajorProcrastination · 28/01/2026 11:17

what's a TPS?

Teachers pension scheme

currently costs the employer (usually Local authority) approximately 25% on top of salary, so a teacher costing £35k oncosted costs another £9k on top pension contribution.

the 25% will continue to increase as well. It’s recalculated each year dependant on what the scheme needs.

its the most expensive pension scheme, i believe, in the uk.

its old fashioned because it was designed in a time when teachers would retire earlier in the way medics, fire fighters, police would. It has excessively onerous terms and conditions (by today’s standards)

also classically teachers accepted low wages knowing their pension was excellent. Taking it away would mean higher wages, but you would still save money overall.

Needlenardlenoo · 28/01/2026 11:31

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/01/2026 11:06

Modernising an extremely old fashioned and excessively expensive pension scheme isn’t the same as arguing for lower salaries. It would of course, be cheaper to offer higher salaries than continue to prop up the TPS.

it’s a step that taken now, would take decades to fully embed (as existing pensioners would need to die off etc) however you can start the transformation now, or never.

Universities have found it quite successful as TPS is also very expensive for the teacher, so a cheaper pension can be attractive for both sides. Many just offer the choice and have a high uptake of their DC pension rather than TPS.

I would query whether university staff would agree with you, given the number of strikes over this matter in affected universities.

Some universities have TPS.

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/01/2026 11:33

Needlenardlenoo · 28/01/2026 11:31

I would query whether university staff would agree with you, given the number of strikes over this matter in affected universities.

Some universities have TPS.

University staff love to strike 😂

DC pension schemes as alternatives to TPS aren’t new, they’ve been around for at least a decade.

they’re striking because they’re being made redundant. In part because universities are about to go bankrupt because they also can’t afford TPS (and unlike schools, they can go bankrupt)m

edited to add-school teachers would strike too. That’s what happens when you make fundamental changes to heavily unionised environments

FerriswheelsKissesandLilacs · 28/01/2026 11:36

You don't have to, but if you can, you probably should. If your school is underfunded then the government won't give them more money. They'll just spend less on resources.

Meadowfinch · 28/01/2026 11:37

Your concerns are valid and in an ideal world, schools should provide everything needed.

Having said that, faced with my only ds being allocated a place at a failing senior school that even Ofsted said wasn't safe, I mortgaged my soul, ds applied for a scholarship and between us we got him a place at the local independent school.

It is a charitable trust, no shareholders. It has a PTA despite being fee paying, we fund-raise like any other school for things like a new pump for the swimming pool or for those who can't afford to do DofE or language trips. We are lucky to have a couple of mums who fund-raise full time.

Newbutoldfather · 28/01/2026 11:48

As someone who has taught privately but sent my children state and was a governor for 4 years of a state primary, I don’t think a lot of people realise how hard it is even for successful state schools to balance their budgets.

Firstly, they haven’t been adequately compensated for inflation, which is very high in things that schools use a lot, like heating. Secondly, they weren’t given any money the last time the teachers got a decent settlement.

You can only balance the books if you have full classes, something very hard to do at primary level, especially in London, given the demographics. Even successful secondaries need to be large, most are 6 or 7 form entries, and then be a member of a MAT (multi academy trust) to spread risks and costs of things like HR and accounts.

Given the way teachers’ salaries go up with experience, schools are mostly youth-heavy, which has its pluses, but also its minuses. A good school has a balance of enthusiastic young teachers and experienced older ones.

And, if teachers are long-term absent, most schools will just set cover work, rather than being able to use (or hire in) subject cover to actually teach. TAs who are hired on pupil premium are used to support the whole class, when they should be dedicated to one pupil etc, and teachers are overworked! I get about just under 1/3 non contact time to prepare and mark. In state schools it is often 10%. More time means better lessons.

I think some schools do manage heroically on their budgets. But it is unsustainable, as increasing parental contributions show.

There needs to be an honest conversation about how what is happening in our schools in any way matches government rhetoric (it doesn’t).

OhDear111 · 28/01/2026 12:30

Pupil premium is based on fsm. We do know that not all fsm dc are behind. Some belong to very intelligent people who don’t work many hours by choice. It’s a cloak encompassing many dc. Some schools get a lot of pp funding that’s not entirely needed and they divert it. They should not, but they do. Usually to TAs for Sen dc. All schools keep a close eye on their fsm numbers as it’s valuable Income.

Head teachers do the NPQH but that doesn’t make them good managers of people or budgets. Some are very good but quite a few primary ones duck difficult decisions and governors too. Schools get budget projections. The governors know spending has to be tweaked or cut. If a school is facing falling rolls, they must deal with their spending. It’s hard but necessary.

It also depends how you amalgamate classes. Many town schools have done this for years but when you first do it, parents aren’t keen. In well off areas a few leave and go private. The good schools don’t have lots of vacancies! Private schools tend to. In poorer areas where no one can afford private and there are no private schools anyway, parents accept it. They don’t have much choice. I constantly see on MN that class sizes are much smaller than I have ever seen so I’m not surprised schools cannot run within their budgets. Parents should ask about budgets. They are allowed to see finance papers sent to governors. Names removed of course.

LuciaMi · 28/01/2026 12:31

Newbutoldfather · 28/01/2026 11:48

As someone who has taught privately but sent my children state and was a governor for 4 years of a state primary, I don’t think a lot of people realise how hard it is even for successful state schools to balance their budgets.

Firstly, they haven’t been adequately compensated for inflation, which is very high in things that schools use a lot, like heating. Secondly, they weren’t given any money the last time the teachers got a decent settlement.

You can only balance the books if you have full classes, something very hard to do at primary level, especially in London, given the demographics. Even successful secondaries need to be large, most are 6 or 7 form entries, and then be a member of a MAT (multi academy trust) to spread risks and costs of things like HR and accounts.

Given the way teachers’ salaries go up with experience, schools are mostly youth-heavy, which has its pluses, but also its minuses. A good school has a balance of enthusiastic young teachers and experienced older ones.

And, if teachers are long-term absent, most schools will just set cover work, rather than being able to use (or hire in) subject cover to actually teach. TAs who are hired on pupil premium are used to support the whole class, when they should be dedicated to one pupil etc, and teachers are overworked! I get about just under 1/3 non contact time to prepare and mark. In state schools it is often 10%. More time means better lessons.

I think some schools do manage heroically on their budgets. But it is unsustainable, as increasing parental contributions show.

There needs to be an honest conversation about how what is happening in our schools in any way matches government rhetoric (it doesn’t).

Absolutely this. I work in the fundraising industry and the level of misinformation in this thread is staggering.

OhDear111 · 28/01/2026 12:38

@Newbutoldfather Schools could tell parents about their high slt salaries in secondary schools of course. Primary schools not so much and of course parents could be governors. Many schools can make savings but don’t want to.

Secretseverywhere · 28/01/2026 12:47

I think I’d object to paying the gas bill tbh I feel like that should be budgeted for. I don’t mind contributing to enrichment activities. We have an active (expensive) PTA so am forever donating they then part fund class trips, cough up for crafting materials and iPads. Teachers are not buying glue sticks where I live.

I don’t mind that sort of thing as it’s optional.

unbelievablybelievable · 28/01/2026 13:08

OhDear111 · 28/01/2026 12:38

@Newbutoldfather Schools could tell parents about their high slt salaries in secondary schools of course. Primary schools not so much and of course parents could be governors. Many schools can make savings but don’t want to.

Not SLT. SLT, even in large secondaries do not have large salaries for the amount of responsibility.

You mean the CEOs and high-ups in MATs. The 6 figure salaries for "managing" several schools sitting in an office, never teaching, delegating to the school principal so no actual job to do .

HisNotHes · 28/01/2026 13:26

BernardButlersBra · 28/01/2026 09:43

Depends on what point they ask for it e.g. in year 8 then it would twice in the same year for me. Plus other people choose to have more than 1 child -l only budgeted for 1 in my planning and would have stuck with 1. Having children of different ages also allows passing on of things, that’s not a thing in the twin world.

They could earn more by renting out the hall or sports hall to exercise classes, brownies, scouts etc. They could have school fetes, bake sales, fun runs etc

OP asked for her opinions and these are mine 🤷‍♀️

Don’t think passing down clothes was relevant to your point about contributing to the school twice but ok.

Most schools already do things like renting out to community groups, and fundraising events like you mention. They’re maxed out on possible ways to “earn more” but still need more.

BernardButlersBra · 28/01/2026 13:30

HisNotHes · 28/01/2026 13:26

Don’t think passing down clothes was relevant to your point about contributing to the school twice but ok.

Most schools already do things like renting out to community groups, and fundraising events like you mention. They’re maxed out on possible ways to “earn more” but still need more.

It’s relevant as passing things on to other siblings eases the financial burden a bit. I thought this thread was about the school trying pass on their financial issues to the parents?!

HisNotHes · 28/01/2026 13:32

BernardButlersBra · 28/01/2026 13:30

It’s relevant as passing things on to other siblings eases the financial burden a bit. I thought this thread was about the school trying pass on their financial issues to the parents?!

It is. I’m not the one who went off on a tangent about siblings passing things down.

noblegiraffe · 28/01/2026 13:47

OhDear111 · 28/01/2026 12:38

@Newbutoldfather Schools could tell parents about their high slt salaries in secondary schools of course. Primary schools not so much and of course parents could be governors. Many schools can make savings but don’t want to.

What do you think an assistant headteacher of a large secondary school should be paid?

What do you think they are being paid?

CEO salary is definitely an issue in some MATs, but SLT aren’t generally rolling in cash.

Needlenardlenoo · 28/01/2026 13:53

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/01/2026 11:33

University staff love to strike 😂

DC pension schemes as alternatives to TPS aren’t new, they’ve been around for at least a decade.

they’re striking because they’re being made redundant. In part because universities are about to go bankrupt because they also can’t afford TPS (and unlike schools, they can go bankrupt)m

edited to add-school teachers would strike too. That’s what happens when you make fundamental changes to heavily unionised environments

Edited

So when you said "successful", whom or what did you have in mind? It wasn't the students, pupils, teachers or lecturers presumably?

noblegiraffe · 28/01/2026 13:56

Itsmetheflamingo · 28/01/2026 11:28

Teachers pension scheme

currently costs the employer (usually Local authority) approximately 25% on top of salary, so a teacher costing £35k oncosted costs another £9k on top pension contribution.

the 25% will continue to increase as well. It’s recalculated each year dependant on what the scheme needs.

its the most expensive pension scheme, i believe, in the uk.

its old fashioned because it was designed in a time when teachers would retire earlier in the way medics, fire fighters, police would. It has excessively onerous terms and conditions (by today’s standards)

also classically teachers accepted low wages knowing their pension was excellent. Taking it away would mean higher wages, but you would still save money overall.

The current employer contributions are not paying for future teacher pensions but current teacher pensions.

How are you suggesting that current teacher pensions are paid for if current employer contributions are reduced?