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Welfare spending to rise by £73.2bn to £406.2bn

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topicalaffair · 23/01/2026 14:25

Over the next five years, the OBR is forecasting that UK welfare spending will rise by £73.2bn to £406.2bn.

How does everyone feel about this? I’m livid because I pay lots of tax. I don’t mind paying tax to maintain a civilised society - but this? This is surely taking the piss and will result in weaker and weaker services as the amount of £ available reduces day by day.

YANBU - it’s totally deranged. The every growing uk population can’t function effectively on such a benefits for all basis.

YABU - this welfare spending bill is truly representative of need.

Welfare spending to rise by £73.2bn to £406.2bn
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Bargepole45 · 23/01/2026 15:40

Faceonthewrongfoot · 23/01/2026 15:34

They don't pay 40% on £100k though, that's misleading. Like everybody else, the first £12k is tax free, the next chunk of income up to £50k is taxed at 20%, and its only everything over £50k that is taxed at 40%.

This is still a crazy amount of money when some people are contributing literally nothing and taking an awful lot.

We need to get to the situation where people have a general expectation that they need to contribute enough to warrant society's investment in them. There will be a small minority who are disabled unable to do this but most of us should be looking to do this. It doesn't necessarily have to be purely financial but we need to all be looking to contribute what we can where we can otherwise the whole system breaks down. Currently we have far too many people happy to just take with the expectation that the rest of us must support them.

NewYear2026NewName · 23/01/2026 15:40

SnipSnipMrBurgess · 23/01/2026 14:53

God imagine saying you are a Reform voter out loud.

How embarrassing.

dont worry, Reform wont get in they're a one policy party / pressure group and all the tories will be floating back to where they were by 2029

baroqueandblue · 23/01/2026 15:40

CloakedInGucci · 23/01/2026 15:04

Can MN ban long answers just pasted from ChatGPT?

Why? Because the truth hurts, by any chance?

UserFront242 · 23/01/2026 15:40

YesSirICanNameChange · 23/01/2026 15:32

I'm in the LCWRA group. I think I could probably work full time from home, or part time close to home.

Every single job currently available in a 10 mile radius of my house requires either a driving licence, or a significant amount of physical activity that I'd be unable to do. The government is obsessed with companies getting people back to the office so home working jobs are few and far between.

What am I supposed to do? I'm retraining into an industry with more work from home jobs, but that'll be a good few years until I'm qualified.

FT WFH home jobs are already far and few between, with entry level ones being pretty much non-existent. It annoys me when someone with disabilities is told they can just apply for a WFH job and being working with a week. It also annoys me that so many people think that your illness/disability does not apply at home.
Someone who has been out of the workforce for years is never going to have their empty CV at the top of an employer's pile.

Good luck with your retraining.

Playingvideogames · 23/01/2026 15:41

Bargepole45 · 23/01/2026 15:40

This is still a crazy amount of money when some people are contributing literally nothing and taking an awful lot.

We need to get to the situation where people have a general expectation that they need to contribute enough to warrant society's investment in them. There will be a small minority who are disabled unable to do this but most of us should be looking to do this. It doesn't necessarily have to be purely financial but we need to all be looking to contribute what we can where we can otherwise the whole system breaks down. Currently we have far too many people happy to just take with the expectation that the rest of us must support them.

I’m going to say it. There are a lot of posters on here day after day writing very eloquent, lucid, balanced, not-unhinged posts who claim they absolutely cannot do an admin job, or a cleaning job, as their MH is too poor and therefore they must live off benefits.

🤷‍♀️

bathsmat · 23/01/2026 15:42

Evil greedy selfsh pensioner here hanging my head in shame despite the fact that I still pay income tax and of course full council tax and worked for 50 years before retiring. Of course during those 50 years I paid income tax and NI. When someone retires their state pension is calculated from the number of years they have paid NI contributions, the less you have paid the less you get and it is worth remembering that the UK state pension even if paid at the full rate is not enough to live on

Its a flat rate people pay. And most aren’t paying enough in tax despite working 50 years or whatever.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 23/01/2026 15:42

I have a friend who has a son, working in a trade. He's a drug addict and gets PIP. WTF?

UserFront242 · 23/01/2026 15:42

Playingvideogames · 23/01/2026 15:36

People who insist they can’t work for XYZ nebulous reason

I did not ask you, and the PP already made that distinction anyway.
She was alluding to people in low paid jobs.

Boomer55 · 23/01/2026 15:42

topicalaffair · 23/01/2026 14:25

Over the next five years, the OBR is forecasting that UK welfare spending will rise by £73.2bn to £406.2bn.

How does everyone feel about this? I’m livid because I pay lots of tax. I don’t mind paying tax to maintain a civilised society - but this? This is surely taking the piss and will result in weaker and weaker services as the amount of £ available reduces day by day.

YANBU - it’s totally deranged. The every growing uk population can’t function effectively on such a benefits for all basis.

YABU - this welfare spending bill is truly representative of need.

It needs sorting out, as it’s unsustainable. 🙄🤷‍♀️

PoppyFleur · 23/01/2026 15:43

bathsmat · 23/01/2026 15:22

Bet you’re not a pensioner!

Regardless the facts are the facts.

But this level of debate highlights why governments have been able to avoid even planning for the demographic changes, so much of the electorate prefer to put their fingers in their ears.

  • In the last 40 years, the number of people aged 50 and over has increased by over 6.8 million (a 47% increase), and the number aged 65 and over has increased by over 3.5 million (a 52% increase).
  • Over 10 million people are currently aged 65 and over, making up 18% of the population.
  • The number of people aged 65-79 is predicted to increase by nearly a third (30%) to over 10 million in the next 40 years, while the number of people aged 80 and over – the fastest growing segment of the population – is set to more than double to over 6 million.

This post is excellent and highlights the challenge. It was known in the 1980s that the UK would have a wave of people, the Boomer Generation, retiring in numbers that were unprecedented and this would cause severe fiscal strain. No Government in the last 40+ years has tackled it. Too fearful of the electorate to do anything about it.

And here we are. It was predicted and it has come to pass. I pity the younger generations; they have been robbed of the opportunity for funded higher education, affordable housing, affordable childcare and, to top it all off, freedom of movement to live, work and travel within the EU.

Ablondiebutagoody · 23/01/2026 15:43

Faceonthewrongfoot · 23/01/2026 15:34

They don't pay 40% on £100k though, that's misleading. Like everybody else, the first £12k is tax free, the next chunk of income up to £50k is taxed at 20%, and its only everything over £50k that is taxed at 40%.

And then most of the stuff that they buy is taxed, so it's probably more like 60%. There must be an estimate available. I'll have a Google.

Cappuccinodelight · 23/01/2026 15:44

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 23/01/2026 15:42

I have a friend who has a son, working in a trade. He's a drug addict and gets PIP. WTF?

Yes WTF. Hope he is not a roofer or he will be claiming compensation soon.

Bargepole45 · 23/01/2026 15:44

bathsmat · 23/01/2026 15:42

Evil greedy selfsh pensioner here hanging my head in shame despite the fact that I still pay income tax and of course full council tax and worked for 50 years before retiring. Of course during those 50 years I paid income tax and NI. When someone retires their state pension is calculated from the number of years they have paid NI contributions, the less you have paid the less you get and it is worth remembering that the UK state pension even if paid at the full rate is not enough to live on

Its a flat rate people pay. And most aren’t paying enough in tax despite working 50 years or whatever.

Exactly this. Todays pensioners haven't paid enough to fund their own pensions. Demographics meant that they were essentially funding the pensions of the Silent Generation that had less people and a lower life expectancy.

poetryandwine · 23/01/2026 15:45

AreYouSureAskedNaomi · 23/01/2026 14:31

I thought most of it was old age pensions

I haven’t RTFT yet so apologies if this has been mentioned already. A google search informs me that the state pension for OAPs is about 42% of the welfare budget.

As someone who will be coming up to pension age sooner than I would like, I think the triple lock is excessive. OTOH the UK has one of the lowest state pensions of any major economy. I would like us to improve it, then drop the triple lock.

MNLurker1345 · 23/01/2026 15:45

Playingvideogames · 23/01/2026 15:41

I’m going to say it. There are a lot of posters on here day after day writing very eloquent, lucid, balanced, not-unhinged posts who claim they absolutely cannot do an admin job, or a cleaning job, as their MH is too poor and therefore they must live off benefits.

🤷‍♀️

Lovely touch of humour on this grave thread! You certainly have a point there.

YesSirICanNameChange · 23/01/2026 15:46

UserFront242 · 23/01/2026 15:40

FT WFH home jobs are already far and few between, with entry level ones being pretty much non-existent. It annoys me when someone with disabilities is told they can just apply for a WFH job and being working with a week. It also annoys me that so many people think that your illness/disability does not apply at home.
Someone who has been out of the workforce for years is never going to have their empty CV at the top of an employer's pile.

Good luck with your retraining.

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Thank you ❤️

Yep, everyone seems to think we can just walk into working from home jobs just like that. I've been applying for months; I was offered a role and then became really ill and had to turn down the offer, I was devastated. Every month that passes, my CV looks worse and worse.

UserFront242 · 23/01/2026 15:47

Playingvideogames · 23/01/2026 15:41

I’m going to say it. There are a lot of posters on here day after day writing very eloquent, lucid, balanced, not-unhinged posts who claim they absolutely cannot do an admin job, or a cleaning job, as their MH is too poor and therefore they must live off benefits.

🤷‍♀️

Bizarre. It is almost like you want people to perform and prove their mental illness to you on here.

They did that with medical professionals and the DWP. They do not have to do that with MN. The people I know with mental illness spend a lot of time pretending they are well.

A cleaning job is not going to take someone off of benefits. What admin jobs? What jobs at all?

Thewonderfuleveryday · 23/01/2026 15:47

The population is getting older so pensions are going to increase.
Rents are going up and people need to be housed.

topicalaffair · 23/01/2026 15:47

chrsanthenum · 23/01/2026 15:36

Or to warm us up for another go at the disabled.

Oh dear. So judgmental. So wrong. So not surprising. I’m disabled myself. As in I have a physical disability that is incurable. I’m also a high earner. How does that fit in your judgy little box?

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Robogob · 23/01/2026 15:47

It’s rent. It is out of control. I work full time and after paying my rent I’m left with just £200 a month. How am supposed to pay energy bills, council tax, feed and clothe two children? There is nowhere cheaper to rent. I don’t know what the answer is, but millions of people would be living on the streets if they didn’t get universal credit.

BlueJuniper94 · 23/01/2026 15:48

Logan's Run

EasternStandard · 23/01/2026 15:49

bathsmat · 23/01/2026 15:29

People have prioritised tax cuts over investment and now they need pensions / healthcare / social care and its not there and due to the falling birth rate , anti immigration etc sufficient workers are not there to pay the tax to support

this is the crux of it.

Have they? The tax burden is the highest in 70 odd years

MNLurker1345 · 23/01/2026 15:50

Cappuccinodelight · 23/01/2026 15:44

Yes WTF. Hope he is not a roofer or he will be claiming compensation soon.

More wonderful humour. This thread is becoming less and less depressing x

Cocomelon67 · 23/01/2026 15:50

I don’t have a lot of sympathy. The government took away many of the support for having children and now there will not be enough younger adults working in the future to pay the pensions of the older generations. It was an entirely predictable problem that will end up with higher immigration being required. Logically, you can’t be both against immigration and against policies like tax credits without this kind of major issue.

Boomer55 · 23/01/2026 15:51

lifeonmars100 · 23/01/2026 15:38

Evil greedy selfsh pensioner here hanging my head in shame despite the fact that I still pay income tax and of course full council tax and worked for 50 years before retiring. Of course during those 50 years I paid income tax and NI. When someone retires their state pension is calculated from the number of years they have paid NI contributions, the less you have paid the less you get and it is worth remembering that the UK state pension even if paid at the full rate is not enough to live on so of course people need a work place pension to have any reasonable standard of living. It woud help if the headline figure was broken down to show what is spent where.

And me. I’ve worked, paid tax etc, and still are, since I was 16, now living on my pensions, never claimed a means tested benefit, and paying ALL of my rent, bills etc. no concessions/top ups/handouts for me, and I’m not sitting on an owned house. 🙄

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