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Thread 23 : To feel disappointed - and now disgusted too - after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 13/01/2026 17:45

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The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

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Links to threads 2-16, the other 20 Observer articles and videos to date, Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement, our timeline and sources can all be accessed in the OP and first few posts of Thread 17: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5403285-thread-17-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

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New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse are welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from at least some of the Observer exposé items before posting.
To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea. Please do not engage with drive-by scolders and ploppers who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. For over 6 months we have done amazingly well together for 22 very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

After 22,000 posts there are still new things to look out for on the path:
Podcast series (7 episodes) from The Observer's award-winning Investigative Journalist Chloe Hadjimatheou, 13th January 2026.
The Walkers: The real Salt Path | The Observer

After listening to some of The Walkers: The real Salt Path podcast episodes from The Observer today my thoughts are even more with the victims. I also believe that the publishers, agent and prizegivers must now act and be seen to act.

Please start each post with the podcast episode you are commenting on, for clarity and to help others avoid spoilers if they wish to do so. Many thanks.

As always, keep to the path, no saltiness, eat fudge and drink cider.

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AbovetheVaultedSky · 17/01/2026 17:30

LetsBeSensible · 17/01/2026 16:37

His pay was less than the dole? Either he wasn’t working full time or the National Trust were paying about 75p per hour! The minimum wage back then was £5.35 per hour for adults over 22, the dole was about £50 per week!

I just listened to it and yes, she says, in the 'confession email' to her sister 'Tim worked for the National Trust for wages that were less than dole money, but he was happier.'

Then she says she took over the finances, started 'juggling money' and started work in an 'office in town'.

There's a slight assumption, I think, that they should be congratulated for working, rather than claiming the dole...?

This is all in the context of Tim apparently spending seven years trying to get back the money invested with his friend after the sale of the Forest Row house, which SW says was 'half our capital' -- there's no actual suggestion of dodgy dealings on the part of the friend mentioned here, only a 'promise' that he would double the Walkers' investment in two years.

No apparent understanding that this isn't guaranteed, that investment is always a risk. That the friend could have been acting in good faith, and they would still have lost the money.

SW also says that TW made the investment 'against my better judgement' and that in the process of trying to get the money back he 'drove himself to the edge of sanity over what he had done.'

Hence 'I became desperate to hold him out of it, and to keep some of the real Tim alive' while 'the backlog of debt was drowning us'.

Hence she started writing cheques to herself at the Hemmingses.

So already here we've got the suggestion that TW is a fragile soul who needs to be saved and kept from a final descent into mental illness. Only at the end of the confession email is there a mention of TW also being told he 'may have Parkinson's', which is clearly intended to pull at her sister's heartstrings.

My point is that the idea of TW as vulnerable and ill, mentally and physically, goes right back to here, and is used in the context of a very considered bit of writing, which is designed to do something very specific, to stop her sister going to the police about the theft from their mother.

That is the only reason she confesses to the Hemmings theft here -- to basically tell her sister 'You will be sending me to prison if you report this. I'm in your hands. And just so you know, Tim is also mentally dangerously fragile and possibly has Parkinson's into the bargain, so what will become of our children while I'm serving six years?'

It's designed to look like an artless flood of apology and self-blame, but it's actually a consciously manipulative piece of writing. She presents herself as barely conscious of what she's been doing, in a 'living nightmare', as the victim of TW's overly trusting nature, as absolutely thrilled that her theft from her mother has been discovered because that means 'it's over' and she's really relieved, self-loathing, and desperate to pay it all back asap.

And the thing is, it worked.

Her sister didn't go to the police, their mother eventually made contact with her again, and her sister's daughter offered them a place to stay and hide out from the bailiffs for eighteen months. Family rallied round.

If SW ever needed a lesson in how writing can tug at heartstrings and manipulate a reader into a desired state of mind via a careful construction of helplessness/wifely support of a fragile spouse, then she learned it here.

I think the seeds of TSP are sown in the confession email.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 17/01/2026 17:33

Oh and many happy returns to @Freshsocks and I hope that a sturdy whisky and ginger is in order to clear the worst of the symptoms.

YourMoneyforFrothingandYourChipsforFree · 17/01/2026 17:34

ThisQuirkyRaven · 17/01/2026 17:02

Just scrolling though past threads and stumbled across this picture of Raymoth's tent (independent article). The article seems to allude to the fact that the picture was taken on 630 mile walk. Anyway, here's a link to Vango's archive. I think the tent first came into existence in 2014

I already posted about this in the mists of time...the tent was in existence pre-2014 as it appeared on a Vango spare parts list in 2012 i think.

RNApolymerase · 17/01/2026 17:38

Sort of relevant to the thread, someone a couple of pages ago mentioned "the most depressing day of the year" is apparently coming up. Well, you'll be glad to know that the depressing day has as much truth in it as a long walk around Cornwall, with as much scientific evidence to back it as a brain scan lit up like a Christmas tree.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2013/jan/21/blue-monday-depressing-day-nonsense-science

Blue Monday: a depressing day of nonsense science (again) | Dean Burnett

Dean Burnett: In the spirit of Blue Monday, here are the equations for the perfect first date, the best late-night junk food and the ideal Bank Holiday shop

https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2013/jan/21/blue-monday-depressing-day-nonsense-science

DisappointedReader · 17/01/2026 17:39

BewilderingBrandy · 17/01/2026 17:19

As I don't shy away from the awkward questions ..... do we have a realistic prediction of when this company will be wound up? We have been so immersed for six months so ...just so we can prevent mass decompression sickness ...

Thank you for putting me on the spot @BewilderingBrandy , but good point!

Some charabancers are still listening to OC's podcast episodes, there's The Observer this weekend to talk about, then the <side eye> BBC podcast towards the end of this month. I'm guessing that things will start to quieten down here after that. On the other hand, we still have quite a few unanswered questions and there may be other developments in future, for example whether or not OWH is published or if Saltim make a break for cover. I'm quite happy to keep the last of this series of threads open so that we can return to it if there's anything new to discuss, or indeed if anyone wants to use them to keep the warm fires of our community glowing, or just to keep in touch from time to time.

I'd be interested to hear everyone else's thoughts?

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Uricon2 · 17/01/2026 17:41

AbovetheVaultedSky · 17/01/2026 17:30

I just listened to it and yes, she says, in the 'confession email' to her sister 'Tim worked for the National Trust for wages that were less than dole money, but he was happier.'

Then she says she took over the finances, started 'juggling money' and started work in an 'office in town'.

There's a slight assumption, I think, that they should be congratulated for working, rather than claiming the dole...?

This is all in the context of Tim apparently spending seven years trying to get back the money invested with his friend after the sale of the Forest Row house, which SW says was 'half our capital' -- there's no actual suggestion of dodgy dealings on the part of the friend mentioned here, only a 'promise' that he would double the Walkers' investment in two years.

No apparent understanding that this isn't guaranteed, that investment is always a risk. That the friend could have been acting in good faith, and they would still have lost the money.

SW also says that TW made the investment 'against my better judgement' and that in the process of trying to get the money back he 'drove himself to the edge of sanity over what he had done.'

Hence 'I became desperate to hold him out of it, and to keep some of the real Tim alive' while 'the backlog of debt was drowning us'.

Hence she started writing cheques to herself at the Hemmingses.

So already here we've got the suggestion that TW is a fragile soul who needs to be saved and kept from a final descent into mental illness. Only at the end of the confession email is there a mention of TW also being told he 'may have Parkinson's', which is clearly intended to pull at her sister's heartstrings.

My point is that the idea of TW as vulnerable and ill, mentally and physically, goes right back to here, and is used in the context of a very considered bit of writing, which is designed to do something very specific, to stop her sister going to the police about the theft from their mother.

That is the only reason she confesses to the Hemmings theft here -- to basically tell her sister 'You will be sending me to prison if you report this. I'm in your hands. And just so you know, Tim is also mentally dangerously fragile and possibly has Parkinson's into the bargain, so what will become of our children while I'm serving six years?'

It's designed to look like an artless flood of apology and self-blame, but it's actually a consciously manipulative piece of writing. She presents herself as barely conscious of what she's been doing, in a 'living nightmare', as the victim of TW's overly trusting nature, as absolutely thrilled that her theft from her mother has been discovered because that means 'it's over' and she's really relieved, self-loathing, and desperate to pay it all back asap.

And the thing is, it worked.

Her sister didn't go to the police, their mother eventually made contact with her again, and her sister's daughter offered them a place to stay and hide out from the bailiffs for eighteen months. Family rallied round.

If SW ever needed a lesson in how writing can tug at heartstrings and manipulate a reader into a desired state of mind via a careful construction of helplessness/wifely support of a fragile spouse, then she learned it here.

I think the seeds of TSP are sown in the confession email.

Edited

Great post @AbovetheVaultedSky and

It's designed to look like an artless flood of apology and self-blame, but it's actually a consciously manipulative piece of writing. is spot on.

You've articulated what I felt when hearing it read. It does not feel sincere, but concocted with a specific aim, ie, to keep family from going to the police mainly, I think.

AbovetheVaultedSky · 17/01/2026 17:48

Uricon2 · 17/01/2026 17:41

Great post @AbovetheVaultedSky and

It's designed to look like an artless flood of apology and self-blame, but it's actually a consciously manipulative piece of writing. is spot on.

You've articulated what I felt when hearing it read. It does not feel sincere, but concocted with a specific aim, ie, to keep family from going to the police mainly, I think.

I think the actress who read SW’s words on the podcast did a really good job. There’s a hint of SW’s accent, her breathy little utterances, and an occasional suggestion of her ‘w’ for ‘r’ rhotacism (sp?), and an insistent self-righteous plea for sympathy. But I find the character she’s playing very credible!

YourMoneyforFrothingandYourChipsforFree · 17/01/2026 17:49

AbovetheVaultedSky · 17/01/2026 17:30

I just listened to it and yes, she says, in the 'confession email' to her sister 'Tim worked for the National Trust for wages that were less than dole money, but he was happier.'

Then she says she took over the finances, started 'juggling money' and started work in an 'office in town'.

There's a slight assumption, I think, that they should be congratulated for working, rather than claiming the dole...?

This is all in the context of Tim apparently spending seven years trying to get back the money invested with his friend after the sale of the Forest Row house, which SW says was 'half our capital' -- there's no actual suggestion of dodgy dealings on the part of the friend mentioned here, only a 'promise' that he would double the Walkers' investment in two years.

No apparent understanding that this isn't guaranteed, that investment is always a risk. That the friend could have been acting in good faith, and they would still have lost the money.

SW also says that TW made the investment 'against my better judgement' and that in the process of trying to get the money back he 'drove himself to the edge of sanity over what he had done.'

Hence 'I became desperate to hold him out of it, and to keep some of the real Tim alive' while 'the backlog of debt was drowning us'.

Hence she started writing cheques to herself at the Hemmingses.

So already here we've got the suggestion that TW is a fragile soul who needs to be saved and kept from a final descent into mental illness. Only at the end of the confession email is there a mention of TW also being told he 'may have Parkinson's', which is clearly intended to pull at her sister's heartstrings.

My point is that the idea of TW as vulnerable and ill, mentally and physically, goes right back to here, and is used in the context of a very considered bit of writing, which is designed to do something very specific, to stop her sister going to the police about the theft from their mother.

That is the only reason she confesses to the Hemmings theft here -- to basically tell her sister 'You will be sending me to prison if you report this. I'm in your hands. And just so you know, Tim is also mentally dangerously fragile and possibly has Parkinson's into the bargain, so what will become of our children while I'm serving six years?'

It's designed to look like an artless flood of apology and self-blame, but it's actually a consciously manipulative piece of writing. She presents herself as barely conscious of what she's been doing, in a 'living nightmare', as the victim of TW's overly trusting nature, as absolutely thrilled that her theft from her mother has been discovered because that means 'it's over' and she's really relieved, self-loathing, and desperate to pay it all back asap.

And the thing is, it worked.

Her sister didn't go to the police, their mother eventually made contact with her again, and her sister's daughter offered them a place to stay and hide out from the bailiffs for eighteen months. Family rallied round.

If SW ever needed a lesson in how writing can tug at heartstrings and manipulate a reader into a desired state of mind via a careful construction of helplessness/wifely support of a fragile spouse, then she learned it here.

I think the seeds of TSP are sown in the confession email.

Edited

This is precisely my conclusion and you put it so eloquently. The letter has all the hallmarks of manipulation. I would hazard a guess that this letter is in fact the seed of HNTDDD, then TSP. The role of the "bad investment" in the letter is essentially an origin story to explain why/how she was driven to steal. IMO it never happened but was ultimately an invention to avoid prison.

Also, there is a curious inconsistency. The letter describes the bad investment occurring between Forest Row and Wales, so around 1992. (RW rebuttal statement also says early 1990s). The letter goes on to say TW spends the next 7 years trying to get it back, so lets say 1999, by which time he is a mess. Yet we know he gave up his gardening job in 2005. Meanwhile, we know Sally only began stealing from Martin H as early as 2002. Yet again, the dates don't stack up. But here, only her sister was the intended reader and unlikely to probe the veracity of the timeline presented in Sally's confessional. Little did she know it would end up being scrutinised by this merry charabanc of mumsnetters.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 17/01/2026 17:51

'Tim worked for the National Trust for wages that were less than dole money, but he was happier.'

<clutches forehead> Oh, so noble! So he could have got more money for not working? But he chose to sacrifice himself (and, by extension his wife and children) to the National Trust by working for such pitiful wages! What an utter saint he must be!

Tch. She must think everyone came down in the last shower. And I note that she doesn't, in all her passive-voicing, once mention what SHE thought about her darling husband slaving away and hardly making a penny and leaving her to bring in enough money to keep food on the table. As long as he was 'happy'.

Because if it had been me, I would have been pretty pissed off. Because this sounds like a little 'hobby job'.

AgitatedGoose · 17/01/2026 17:51

@DisappointedReader I’d like to keep the threads open to return to if anything else comes out. As you say SW can’t stay in hiding forever and there’s OWH to unpick if and when it’s published. Thank you for all the hard work you’ve put into this.

BewilderingBrandy · 17/01/2026 17:53

DisappointedReader · 17/01/2026 17:39

Thank you for putting me on the spot @BewilderingBrandy , but good point!

Some charabancers are still listening to OC's podcast episodes, there's The Observer this weekend to talk about, then the <side eye> BBC podcast towards the end of this month. I'm guessing that things will start to quieten down here after that. On the other hand, we still have quite a few unanswered questions and there may be other developments in future, for example whether or not OWH is published or if Saltim make a break for cover. I'm quite happy to keep the last of this series of threads open so that we can return to it if there's anything new to discuss, or indeed if anyone wants to use them to keep the warm fires of our community glowing, or just to keep in touch from time to time.

I'd be interested to hear everyone else's thoughts?

Well that sounds good to me - you're the driver, in fact, in front of the driver:

I'm the one on the left wearing the hat and the expression of a kindly but firm and slightly terrified governess, standing in front of the man wearing the flat cap.

Please can I be the one in the middle of the second row from the front - still rather sceptical and with a wide brim over her eyes ..?

Uricon2 · 17/01/2026 17:59

On second thoughts it sounds, and not for the first time, like I need to start a thread about your DH . Do feel free to threaten him with it!

@DisappointedReader I will! He's a lovely man who has had an interesting life and is very brave faced with current adverse circumstances.

Still a pain in the backside at times who should be threatened with forensic evisceration by us all though! Think on't Dh, think on't.

Uricon2 · 17/01/2026 18:04

AgitatedGoose · 17/01/2026 17:51

@DisappointedReader I’d like to keep the threads open to return to if anything else comes out. As you say SW can’t stay in hiding forever and there’s OWH to unpick if and when it’s published. Thank you for all the hard work you’ve put into this.

Very much this.

We'll send fudge etc!

The 'charabanc ladies' in @Priorlake 's wonderful picture are fascinating. Pretty much all of them would have been born in the 19th C and some probably around 1850. They look like they would all have been most capable of giving Raymoth erm the benefit of their wisdom, had they ahd the Internet.

I think the man in the flat cap must be @UpfromSomerset !

Peladon · 17/01/2026 18:10

AgitatedGoose · 17/01/2026 13:23

Yes alcohol induced neuropathy can cause ataxia and other neurological symptoms reported in SW’s books. TW certainly looks as though he’s got a bit of a beer belly which the made to measure waistcoats hide. I imagine he would have been asked about drinking during consultations and probably downplayed his consumption. I believe @Vroomfondleswaistcoat has questioned possible alcohol consumption in a previous thread.

Plastered plasterer?

PinkPanther57 · 17/01/2026 18:12

Peladon · 17/01/2026 16:27

Presumably HNTDDD is copyright of the author, and could only be puublished in full with her consent. I can see that she might not be very keen.

It has been published (?) you mean put in public domain in full (?)

Presumably 'interesting' parts, bits, could be legally quoted if referenced?

Peladon · 17/01/2026 18:23

Thanks @PinkPanther57 . You're quite right - sloppy phrasing.

i meant that presumably someone shouldn't just take their entire copy of the book and put it online, as that would be infringing copyright and be cause for complaint.

I'm not au fait with how permissible it is to quote chunks of a book, but am sure that the authors on here will know about that.

Perhaps HNTDDD could be donated to the British Library, and anyond could all go in and have a read (if they are within reach of London or Yorkshire).

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 17/01/2026 18:24

Peladon · 17/01/2026 18:10

Plastered plasterer?

I did, a couple of threads ago, wonder on the 'finding him in a pool of urine' and this made me compare many of his symptoms to those of a chronic alcoholic. I'm not saying that I think this is Tim's problem, but it really would not surprise me if this was what lay underneath it all.

And Sal is covering up for him. And maybe took him on a long walk to get him away from the bottle.

Peladon · 17/01/2026 18:26

Like a dandy equivalent of Father Jack?

PinkPanther57 · 17/01/2026 18:32

Peladon · 17/01/2026 18:23

Thanks @PinkPanther57 . You're quite right - sloppy phrasing.

i meant that presumably someone shouldn't just take their entire copy of the book and put it online, as that would be infringing copyright and be cause for complaint.

I'm not au fait with how permissible it is to quote chunks of a book, but am sure that the authors on here will know about that.

Perhaps HNTDDD could be donated to the British Library, and anyond could all go in and have a read (if they are within reach of London or Yorkshire).

Thanks. Think you can quote from a published book online legally if you cite source, certainly people do all time. No expert though in area.

ThisQuirkyRaven · 17/01/2026 18:33

@Freshsocksit was me that mentioned the scans. Any drug that bonds to dopamine transporters in the brain would affect a datscan, and there are several.

AbovetheVaultedSky · 17/01/2026 18:35

DisappointedReader · 17/01/2026 17:39

Thank you for putting me on the spot @BewilderingBrandy , but good point!

Some charabancers are still listening to OC's podcast episodes, there's The Observer this weekend to talk about, then the <side eye> BBC podcast towards the end of this month. I'm guessing that things will start to quieten down here after that. On the other hand, we still have quite a few unanswered questions and there may be other developments in future, for example whether or not OWH is published or if Saltim make a break for cover. I'm quite happy to keep the last of this series of threads open so that we can return to it if there's anything new to discuss, or indeed if anyone wants to use them to keep the warm fires of our community glowing, or just to keep in touch from time to time.

I'd be interested to hear everyone else's thoughts?

I'd like there to be a thread left open for any random thoughts, interim developments, responses to any stray copies of HNTDDD that make it into our hands, gnomic Instagram posts of Smotyn the sheep's grave, Significant Untrodden Paths, or Gillian Anderson getting drunk on Graham Norton and saying 'I always knew she was a wrong'un!'

YourMoneyforFrothingandYourChipsforFree · 17/01/2026 18:36

Well they did run an orchard for cider. No cider was made, or was it that no cider was ever found to be made???

Freshsocks · 17/01/2026 18:37

RNApolymerase · 17/01/2026 17:38

Sort of relevant to the thread, someone a couple of pages ago mentioned "the most depressing day of the year" is apparently coming up. Well, you'll be glad to know that the depressing day has as much truth in it as a long walk around Cornwall, with as much scientific evidence to back it as a brain scan lit up like a Christmas tree.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2013/jan/21/blue-monday-depressing-day-nonsense-science

Thank you for the birthday greetings @Vroomfondleswaistcoat, cake and fudge today :)
That was me @RNApolymerase, thank you for posting this, I'm going to cheer up now :)

Freshsocks · 17/01/2026 18:43

Just seen your message @ThisQuirkyRaven, thank you, I always worry if I quote someone that, I've got it wrong :)

AbovetheVaultedSky · 17/01/2026 18:44

Peladon · 17/01/2026 18:23

Thanks @PinkPanther57 . You're quite right - sloppy phrasing.

i meant that presumably someone shouldn't just take their entire copy of the book and put it online, as that would be infringing copyright and be cause for complaint.

I'm not au fait with how permissible it is to quote chunks of a book, but am sure that the authors on here will know about that.

Perhaps HNTDDD could be donated to the British Library, and anyond could all go in and have a read (if they are within reach of London or Yorkshire).

What constitutes 'fair usage' and thus doesn't need permission is a bit of a grey area, depending on lots of variables, like whether the text being quoted is in the public domain, the purpose for which you're using the quotation (educational? commercial? Are you going to make money from that usage?), how much of the total text you're quoting, whether it's going to affect the market for the text from which you're quoting etc etc.

https://janefriedman.com/sample-permission-letter/

A Writer's Guide to Fair Use and Permissions + Sample Permissions Letter

Permissions is all about seeking permission to quote or excerpt other people's copyrighted work within your own. Here's when you need to seek permissions.

https://janefriedman.com/sample-permission-letter/

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