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Thread 23 : To feel disappointed - and now disgusted too - after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 13/01/2026 17:45

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The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

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Links to threads 2-16, the other 20 Observer articles and videos to date, Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement, our timeline and sources can all be accessed in the OP and first few posts of Thread 17: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5403285-thread-17-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

Links to threads 18-20 can be found in the OP of Thread 21: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5460943-thread-21-to-feel-disappointed-and-now-disgusted-too-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

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New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse are welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from at least some of the Observer exposé items before posting.
To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea. Please do not engage with drive-by scolders and ploppers who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. For over 6 months we have done amazingly well together for 22 very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

After 22,000 posts there are still new things to look out for on the path:
Podcast series (7 episodes) from The Observer's award-winning Investigative Journalist Chloe Hadjimatheou, 13th January 2026.
The Walkers: The real Salt Path | The Observer

After listening to some of The Walkers: The real Salt Path podcast episodes from The Observer today my thoughts are even more with the victims. I also believe that the publishers, agent and prizegivers must now act and be seen to act.

Please start each post with the podcast episode you are commenting on, for clarity and to help others avoid spoilers if they wish to do so. Many thanks.

As always, keep to the path, no saltiness, eat fudge and drink cider.

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Uricon2 · 17/01/2026 13:22

AgitatedGoose · 17/01/2026 12:45

Who on earth wears moleskin trousers and a smock for a gardening job - so pretentious.

My dear grandfather used to garden in a 3 piece suit complete with shirt and tie. In extremely hot weather, the jacket, collar and tie came off and the sleeves were rolled up. However he was an Edwardian man whose mode of dress was fixed by 1912ish. His father (a farmer) wore jodhpurs and riding boots which apparently was a sort of status thing to differentiate owner and workers, although he was very much hands on.

I'm not sure why Timoth adopted the 'Gabriel Oak dressed up a bit but not as much as he would have been for church' look but it feels like a sort of studied bucolic fantasy that in reality never existed, a clean, tidy, well cut version of working clothes that would have been anything but as presentable for most people, most of the time.

AgitatedGoose · 17/01/2026 13:23

DoubtfulCat · 16/01/2026 22:09

Lots of things can cause ataxia, I did a spell as a typist in the hospital bank and typed up letters in neurology for a short while. One letter discussed a man who was a heavy drinker in his 40s and noticed his balance was off while skiing (!). Anyway apparently drinking a lot for a long time can cause changes to the brain which may result in neurological changes (I don’t now remember the details, it was 20 years ago) including weakness and altered sensation, balance issues, one side of the body being less responsive, etc etc.
All to say, we don’t know what “lifestyle choices” might be at play- but be that as it may, i do remain unconvinced the he has anything wrong with him at all. Ironically, I’m more convinced that this is the case by Sally denying something that actually no-one had accused them of: “that Moth has made up his illness”. When she said this I don’t think anyone had said anything of the kind, so it seems a bit of a confession that she leapt to that conclusion.

Yes alcohol induced neuropathy can cause ataxia and other neurological symptoms reported in SW’s books. TW certainly looks as though he’s got a bit of a beer belly which the made to measure waistcoats hide. I imagine he would have been asked about drinking during consultations and probably downplayed his consumption. I believe @Vroomfondleswaistcoat has questioned possible alcohol consumption in a previous thread.

CatsOfDoom · 17/01/2026 13:28

Hi, I’ve only posted once on these threads, 12 I think, but have read them all and can only applaud everyone’s tenacity and insight. I read TSP when very ill with an at the time undiagnosed brain tumour and struggled to get through it because she was so unlikeable and moany as well so many things not stacking up from the very start and Moth’s incredible ability to walk being so ill etc, etc. My first thought when I read the bit about hiding from the bailiffs and deciding to go on a walk was that it was obvious they were going on the run as no one in their right mind would do what they did when one partner was so incapacitated with a terminal illness. The thought that they were essentially on the run stayed with me while I read the book and I couldn’t get past that, amongst everything else that allegedly happened of course! I’m so glad that CH uncovered everything she has and I really hope the Walkers face some serious consequences for all the awful things they’ve done. The fact that it’s months on now from the initial revelations in The Observer and there has been no legal challenge from them, despite SW saying they’re taking legal advice, is very clear evidence they don’t have a leg to stand on challenging the evidence against them. If they were squeaky clean, or even marginally clean, they would have sued for libel by now and CH investigation would have been shut down promptly.
Thank you all for being so eloquent and funny, I’m only sorry I wasn’t able to secure a seat on the charabanc but I’ve been cheering it on and waving every time it’s driven past my corner of the West Country!! And drinking the occasional cider in solidarity!

Freshsocks · 17/01/2026 13:35

Sorry you have been so unwell @CatsOfDoom, hope things are better for you now :)

Uricon2 · 17/01/2026 13:57

Very good points made @CatsOfDoom and also hoping you are in better health.

LibertyLily · 17/01/2026 13:59

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 17/01/2026 08:45

@Peladon That artlcle makes me so angry. I got to this line.. 'when the electric bill comes through the door it just makes me smile, because I know I can actually pay it.”

and thought 'can, but probably aren't going to'.

I had exactly the same thought...particularly in hindsight knowing that Bill Cole said the utilities were left unpaid when RayMoth did their latest moonlight flit 🙄🤬

BewilderingBrandy · 17/01/2026 14:00

@CatsOfDoom Well here you are on board - and reading that uplifting last paragraph - it is so lovely and affirming that you are!

DisappointedReader · 17/01/2026 14:06

Welcome back @CatsOfDoom and thank you for your support and insights. We are all cheering you on and giving you a wave too. But fear not, there is a very comfy seat on the charabanc for you. You don't get out of joining us that easily!

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AbovetheVaultedSky · 17/01/2026 14:14

'Gabriel Oak dressed up a bit but not as much as he would have been for church' look

Grin Grin

Apart from the fact that Gabriel Oak is a rock of reliability, saver of hay ricks and sheep with bloat, and utterly hands-on and a worker!

I mean, Gabriel would never have let the apple crop rot in the orchards or failed to make the cider, whatever else was going on in his life.

Incidentally, the Haye Farm episode of the podcast, in which BC says that the Walkers never made any cider over the whole five years they lived at Haye, reminds me again of what I always thought was a deeply odd moment in TWS, when the Walkers, just back (purportedly) from their Icelandic walk, note that the apples are ready to be picked and that 'soon the cider season would begin'. Then there's a storm, lots of the trees are stripped and apples left lying in the orchard grass, and there's the following exchange:

‘What a waste. These need to be off the ground and into the cider barn before they rot.’ Moth squatted under a tree picking a few undamaged apples from the ground and putting them in a bucket. ‘We’ll have to just pick up what we can. What else can we do?’

‘Just me and you? We’ll never do it; there’s too many. We can pick up a few but the bulk of these will be lost. What a mess.’

We looked across the orchard at the devastation; we couldn’t possibly pick them all up before they began to rot, but who could possibly help us? I was sure Sam would, but he was tied-up with life two hundred miles away. It seemed as if there was no one to ask.

After which, apparently unsought, a crowd of local volunteers show up to pick.

But my question is -- what were the Walkers expecting to happen? Their tenancy agreement was that they would handle the orchards and the cider-making. Why had they no plan for the apple harvest? Why would they think of asking their London-based landlord for help, when the whole point of him taking them on as tenants was for them to manage the cider-making?

And then we're told, after the volunteers show up to pick:

Within days the loft of the cider barn was stacked with hessian sacks full of salvaged apples, and freshly pressed juice began to fill the barrels

Note the use of the passive voice. The volunteers appear to have done the picking, and presumably the young cider-making couple are the ones pressing the juice? While TWS makes it look as if it's the Walkers lovingly picking and pressing.

Especially as the next chapter, the final one in TWS, implies that it's the wholesome physical labour of managing the orchards and making cider that is saving TW:

No drugs or doctors could help Moth, but he didn’t need them. Simply by living as he was built to, his body had found a way to sidestep the failures and go on. As surely as removing heavy human interference from the land was allowing the wildlife to return to the farm, so Moth was surviving by returning to a more natural state of existence.

And yet, by the time of writing of LL, this wholesome outdoor life of physical labour in nature is no longer working, and he's rapidly deteriorating and needs to be taken off to Cape Wrath to walk a famously challenging trail, despite being at death's door, collapsing in a pool of his own urine, falling in the orchard, unable to walk two easy miles. Because 'Moth is fine. We're not doing anything new, just pottering' doesn't sell books.

Interesting too that BC told CH on the podcast that he and the Walkers had been planning to go into business together on the farm 50/50, and that this (implicitly wellness/rewilding etc) was going to be the subject of her next book. Until it wasn't...

CatsOfDoom · 17/01/2026 14:18

Thank you @Freshsocks @Uricon2 @BewilderingBrandy I had a lot of complications after the surgery which has left me with ongoing mobility and cognitive impairments which makes me so angry about malingering Moth’s incredible walking cure. Before I was diagnosed and my balance was going I was convinced I wasn’t trying hard enough to do even ordinary manual tasks and I’d stumble around the block trying to walk myself better. You’ve guessed it, many well meaning people told me about inspirational books like TSP and that if I did XYZ and try a bit harder, all my symptoms would disappear. And the same people said the same nonsense when I came out of hospital and had to learn to walk again! I’m loads better than I was however and am grateful to be still around.

CatsOfDoom · 17/01/2026 14:23

@DisappointedReader Thank you so much, I’ll happily take up a comfy seat, no fudge to share unfortunately but I’m making a tiramisu later if that won’t be too messy!

DisappointedReader · 17/01/2026 14:23

AgitatedGoose · 17/01/2026 13:23

Yes alcohol induced neuropathy can cause ataxia and other neurological symptoms reported in SW’s books. TW certainly looks as though he’s got a bit of a beer belly which the made to measure waistcoats hide. I imagine he would have been asked about drinking during consultations and probably downplayed his consumption. I believe @Vroomfondleswaistcoat has questioned possible alcohol consumption in a previous thread.

Mistakes may be being made, but didn't drugs (coke?) get a mention in Sally Walker-Wyn-Winn's first book HNTDDD, that fictional work with more fact than TSP? I have long wondered whether alcohol and/or drugs have played a part in their lives. Facially to me they both look like drinkers (in the way that alcohol and even a lot of sugar in the diet can show up).

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Freshsocks · 17/01/2026 14:26

I have had my own theories about cannabis use @DisappointedReader, just been a little reluctant to voice it :)

YourMoneyforFrothingandYourChipsforFree · 17/01/2026 14:29

A thought just dawned on me...Tim's job at NT garden. What actually were his credentials in gardening if he didn't have a botany degree? It seems like he conned his way into the head gardener job after doing a brief spell of volunteering during which he had time to put everyone under his spell. Before this they lived in Staffs where he was a master plasterer. Do we know what he studied at college, according to SalRay?

Also, [minor spoiler alert from EP6] SW said in her confession letter that TW's pay was less than the dole. Is that kind of low pay really plausible as a head gardener? Unlikely. Woe is me strikes again.

AbovetheVaultedSky · 17/01/2026 14:35

Freshsocks · 17/01/2026 14:26

I have had my own theories about cannabis use @DisappointedReader, just been a little reluctant to voice it :)

Voice it! Voice it!

DisappointedReader · 17/01/2026 14:38

I'm very sorry to hear of everything you've been dealing with @CatsOfDoom and very glad you feel things are a little bit on the up. It makes my cider boil to know that TSP has played a part in making things more difficult for you.

Things can get a little messy on the charabanc so that tiramisu will fit in fine and be very welcome. Tempting as it is to invite you to sit next to me with large spoon, I think if we all bring a teaspoon each there should be enough to go round.

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Innermagnolia · 17/01/2026 14:41

YourMoneyforFrothingandYourChipsforFree · 17/01/2026 14:29

A thought just dawned on me...Tim's job at NT garden. What actually were his credentials in gardening if he didn't have a botany degree? It seems like he conned his way into the head gardener job after doing a brief spell of volunteering during which he had time to put everyone under his spell. Before this they lived in Staffs where he was a master plasterer. Do we know what he studied at college, according to SalRay?

Also, [minor spoiler alert from EP6] SW said in her confession letter that TW's pay was less than the dole. Is that kind of low pay really plausible as a head gardener? Unlikely. Woe is me strikes again.

I wondered this too. We know he volunteered at first. Apart from dressing for the part and having the gift of the gab, what were his qualifications and experience? The mythical botany degree?

Freshsocks · 17/01/2026 14:41

He probably got the job on the strength of his handmade gardening smock @YourMoneyforFrothingandYourChipsforFree. Salray glumwashing again about wages :)

Cannabis would explain the datscan results @AbovetheVaultedSky, a scan like Moths could be seen in someone who habitually uses cannabis. It would also explain the reversal in the scan, if he had stopped consuming. Not that we know what Moths further scans looked like, we only have Salray's word. It doesn't explain the eyes. I would be interested if anyone knows anything about ADHD in adult men, does Moth seems like he could have ADHD?

CatsOfDoom · 17/01/2026 14:45

Magic mushrooms? Psilocybin would be plentiful in rural wales. Moth looks not unlike some people I knew in the 80s who’d go mushroom picking…

DisappointedReader · 17/01/2026 14:48

Freshsocks · 17/01/2026 14:26

I have had my own theories about cannabis use @DisappointedReader, just been a little reluctant to voice it :)

It's fine to discuss theories or opinions here @Freshsocks as long as it's clear that's what we are doing, we try to explain why we think that and, even better, offer any evidence for it. Not being Saltim, we just don't present theories, opinion or fiction as fact on these threads.

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CatsOfDoom · 17/01/2026 14:54

Moth looks to me to be too well curated sartorially to be typically ADHD although everyone’s different. My DH has ADHD and tbh most days looks like he got dressed in a hurry in a darkened charity shop :0)

AbovetheVaultedSky · 17/01/2026 14:55

Innermagnolia · 17/01/2026 14:41

I wondered this too. We know he volunteered at first. Apart from dressing for the part and having the gift of the gab, what were his qualifications and experience? The mythical botany degree?

Debbie Hemmings did say that he'd taught her a lot when she also worked at the NT gardens with him when she was 15, and that it had contributed to her becoming a gardener later -- implies he did know about gardening? Though she's mostly describing his distinctive red-cravatted dandyism, even when working in the gardens.

Sounds slightly as though she may have had a crush?

Not surprising, I suppose, for a 15 year old encountering this well-dressed, good-looking bloke, whom a lot of people, including Ruth Salperton, describe as having 'rock star' charisma.

Freshsocks · 17/01/2026 15:04

DisappointedReader · 17/01/2026 14:48

It's fine to discuss theories or opinions here @Freshsocks as long as it's clear that's what we are doing, we try to explain why we think that and, even better, offer any evidence for it. Not being Saltim, we just don't present theories, opinion or fiction as fact on these threads.

Sorry @DisappointedReader, I did say it was a theory. I am not amongst the most techy of posters, unfortunately this means I can't attach things for you to read, people will have to look at this for themselves. This is as I say just a theory, I have no evidence at all that Tim uses cannabis or ever has. The same as nobody knows if he is abusing alcohol, I just looked at the scans of cannabis users out of interest.

PinkPanther57 · 17/01/2026 15:11

DisappointedReader · 17/01/2026 14:23

Mistakes may be being made, but didn't drugs (coke?) get a mention in Sally Walker-Wyn-Winn's first book HNTDDD, that fictional work with more fact than TSP? I have long wondered whether alcohol and/or drugs have played a part in their lives. Facially to me they both look like drinkers (in the way that alcohol and even a lot of sugar in the diet can show up).

We need to see excerpts & attention here IMO. CH has the book & SA didn’t legitimately qualify for the prize.

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