cause he is Jewish

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Apologies cant see a thread about this.
Staff at Bristol Brunel academy blocked a visit by Damien Egan, their local MP because he is Jewish. Clear case of antisemitism. AIBU to thinking that headteacher and those driving this decision should be sacked and reported to the Teacher Regulation Agency?
(Apologies thread title isnt correct, but i can't edit it)

You were far more polite than me. I'd call it uneducated rather than pomposity.

Just look at his voting record on UK arms exports to the current Israeli government, it’s public information.

No

then why is Damien Egan being targeted ?

we know why it’s because he is Jewish claiming it isn’t is just a blatant lie

So? It's not as if he was going to turn up to the school with a box-load of whatever he's green-lit from BAE Systems and then fire it at the Year 9 geography class.

You might want to take a look at what Iran is up to at the moment to see what would happen to the Israelis if they didn't have weapons.

No but lobbying for UK weapons to be sold to Israel does.

Ok have to admit rolling on floor laughing at your first paragraph:)

I do tend to agree that banning him is heavy-handed, they should have issued a statement that they do not agree with him. However my point still stands re: this not being anti-Semitic.

Yeah if only the Israeli government were using weapons to protect themselves from Iran, but sadly they are also using them to oppress the Palestinian population. Selling weapons to an apartheid government is not ok in my book.

I'm fed up with the lazy lie that Israel is an apartheid state. On pure and simple point of fact, it is not. Approximately 20% of the Israeli population is not Jewish (and Hamas murdered and kidnapped them all the same, how egalitarian) and they have all the same rights as the Jewish Israelis including voting and standing for public office (although I believe Muslim Israelis are not obliged to serve in the army, though they can volunteer). They don't use separate facilities or services and while I am sure there are social issues, legally they are full citizens of Israel, as they should be.

Only Israel gets accused of apartheid because it has barriers against other strips of land whose leaders have genocidal and murderous intentions towards it. Egypt built a barrier too, nobody calls that apartheid.

I appreciate it is a scary time to be Jewish anywhere right now, including the UK, and anti-semitism is undoubtedly rife and on the rise, but I think it’s important not to conflate it with being anti-current-Israeli government.

and Damien Egon supports a two state solution brought negotiations something the current Israeli government absolutely does not

anyone who has any interest in the issues of the Palestinian people would know this

how odd it’s ignored

What you have said is demonstrably untrue, but I am too tired to post the numerous links.

Here's one:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/

And Damien Egon and LFI have made clear their strong opposition to the current Israeli government. Do you think your post might, by implication, be making the sort of conflation that you're saying should be opposed?

don’t worry they are not

people can see

thing is prejudice shows stupid arrogant people like to believe it doesn’t but it always does

Convenient!

It's not apartheid to have barriers against land that's not part of your country, whose fascist, racist and extremist rulers have determined to wipe you out (and will happily sacrifice any number of their own people to demonise you). Tell Egypt to reabsorb Gaza and Jordan to reabsorb the West Bank; is that not apartheid that they won't?

It is absolutely 100% perfectly true that around 20% of Israelis are not Jewish and they are not made to use separate services or facilities (why would they be?). There are currently about 12 Arab members of the Knesset. Again, social issues exist and that's bad and should be addressed, but it's not apartheid.

So because he visited Israel and met with both Israelis and Palestinians while there, he's all of a sudden pro-current Israeli government? Because he is a member of a group that wants a peaceful two state solution, he's bad?

We don't need you to pretend to be concerned about anti-Semitism, by the way. If you are against someone visiting a school because they don't believe in eradicating the Jewish state, you're one of the bad guys. If you are against Jewish self-determination in the Jewish homeland, you're certainly not a friend of Jews 😅 So don't bother pretending that you are.

There are far more non Jewish people in Israel than Jewish people in Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, Libya… I could keep going. 850,000 people displaced from Arab countries, obviously many more from
Europe. Etc etc etc. Not to say two wrongs don’t make a right but why is Israel held to a higher standard than the 22 Arab nations?

Obviously not every Jewish person is a Zionist but I am. Not because I think it’s perfect, but because I am scared that if I don’t have that in my back pocket I’ll one day be left with nowhere to go and no one who wants me. Just like millions before me.

Well just as well, in your book, your post is irrelevant to the OP. Hope you're not rolling on the floor laughing at this blatant bias in protesting against this particular speaker.

Don't know what to say about your post, other than I'm deeply ashamed you've had to say it. There really shouldn't be any need when no other minority group feels the need to continuously protect their position. At least with other groups they have protection.

The union should issue a statement that they do not agree with his lobbying for weapons to be sold to Israel, and they should do this for any politician whether Jewish or not. Attempting to stop him visiting the school is wrong IMHO. I’m pretty sure it is his political stance not his faith that they object to however. Also he is not just any adult he is a publicly elected MP, so protesting about the very real effects his actions have (i.e. his voting record) is reasonable, he is not just any adult.

But it's OK for Muslim MPs to lead their manifesto on Gaza.

I’m fed up with security (or lack thereof) being the issue why Jewish people / Israelis aren’t allowed to certain places / events are cancelled. For safety’s sake. No other ethnic group has to deal with this shit. Guards needed for Jewish schools, community events, places of worship…. It’s shameful.

I’m going to put my next sentence in capitals because it deserves to be. THIS IS NOT NORMAL AND SOCIETY’S QUIET AND GENERALLY UNTHINKING ACCEPTANCE OF IT IS APPALLING.

This is akin to women being under guard to protect them from men (I know, I know, not all men…) rather than considering what can be done on a societal level to ensure men behave like decent human beings.

Crikey I’m not pretending anything, I’m just a fairly bog standard person who can see that this guy is lobbying to provide UK weapons to the Israeli government. I don’t believe in eradicating the Israeli state, and I don’t believe in supporting an apartheid system in Palestine. Unfortunately the Israeli government are now an ethno-nationalist apartheid government, a long way from 67 borders.

im also not against him visiting the school, however i do agree with the union protesting about his actions. Personally I think a statement alone would have been reasonable.

FFS. Here's one of our 20%. No you're certainly NOT pretending anything. 👏 👏

Quite.

I don't want these vile, controlling racists to be teaching Jewish children and I wouldn't want them to be teaching my children either, despite not being Jewish. All children deserve far better than that.

Yeah sure you got me I’m really a massive closet anti-Semite cunningly disguising my bigoted views in political beliefs FFS