cause he is Jewish

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Apologies cant see a thread about this.
Staff at Bristol Brunel academy blocked a visit by Damien Egan, their local MP because he is Jewish. Clear case of antisemitism. AIBU to thinking that headteacher and those driving this decision should be sacked and reported to the Teacher Regulation Agency?
(Apologies thread title isnt correct, but i can't edit it)

No, love. We're talking about the keffiyeh. Hth.

( note: don't try and bring someone down with an incorrect spelling, when you can't spell the word yourself).

Multiple posters were writing Kefir love.

Same ... and also disgusted by people ignoring, minimising or denying the huge role Hamas play in the fate of ordinary people living in Gaza.

I've got absolutely no respect for anyone who claims to care about the Palestinians but won't denounce Hamas, won't say they should disarm and surrender, won't denounce them for building terror tunnels instead of services and deliberately planting themselves and their operations in civilian areas, won't say a word about them pulling Gazans from their homes after the ceasefire was announced and shooting them in the head.

These people don't care about the Palestinians any more than Hamas do. Like Hamas, they are actually totally fine with Gazans being killed if they can exploit their suffering to demonise Israel. Hamas are fascist, repressive, murderous and deliberately endanger their own people and are the worst possible governance for Palestinians. Why would anyone who actually gives a sun blushed shit about Gazan people not want these bastards to stand down?

What's a 'Keffiyyah' then, love?

Agree - the story is horrifying. I bet those teachers are not cheering on the Iranian people who are leading the rebellion right now, are they?

It's a complete mystery to me how anyone who claims to be on the pro Palestinian side isn't as angry about Hamas as I am coming from the perspective of someone who supports Israel.

The Iranians are protesting vigorously about their authoritarian leadership. Would love to see Gazans do the same but suspect they are too downtrodden by years of Hamas taking all the aid money to fund more tunnels & guns.

No, they prefer it when they are patronising the underdog. They don't want the UD to rise up because that gives liberals one less trend to hijack.

So you're 'anti-Israel' not 'anti the current government' or 'anti some decisions that have been made' or 'anti Netanyahu' you're... anti an entire country as a whole? And you don't think this is problematic?

I can simultaneously hate Trump 'and' be an American patriot. In fact - I am. I don't 'disagree with America'. I 'disagree with the choices of government officials to make America a hellscape' but I would never say I'm against America.

And yes - I'm Jewish and a Zionist (and American and Scottish for what it's worth) and i also think Netanyahu is a lying snake of a politician. Do you know there are many, many different viewpoints in Israel itself? You can't be pro or anti an entire country. i'm not anti Afghanistan! That would be a crazy thing to say.

Nobody has done either of those things in this thread, We are talking about whether ALL Jewish people wherever they are in the world, and all Israelis as individuals should be held collectively responsible, "protested"(usually to shut up or not be allowed to speak) demonised and blamed for all and any recent brutal actions of the current right wing Netanyahu-led Israeli government in Gaza as retaliation for the Oct 7 murders and torture of Jewish citizens by Hamas & a number of Gazan citizens.

Would you be okay for Sadiq Khan to be protested and prevented from speaking about his job solely on the basis he is a Muslim? Or for yourself to be personally protested and prevented from speaking at a neutral event on the basis you live in a country that is currently led by Keir Starmer, in which Nigel Farage exists as an influential political figure, has a Royal Family that many don't agree with, one that contains or contained the odious Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, or once had Boris Johnson or Margaret Thatcher as its PM? What is the protest of this Jewish MP existing as Jewish expected to achieve exactly?

What? So because I'm Jewish I should be deported? What does that even mean? Of course my 'loyalty' is to the religion of my ancestors - i'm not a Christian. But I have my kids in a state school that is church of Scotland (as they all are) and they participate in the nativity and we join in on St Andrews day and Hogmanay and all sorts of wonderful traditions of my children's other heritage. But i'm Jewish too.

This ... in my case I'm often critical of the UK government (both Labour & Tory) but still proud to be English.

I'm not anti any country only anti some of the leaders.

For people who say they are anti Israel but not antisemitic - think about what you are saying!

And what's your opinion about how Muslim states treat Jewish people? Curious...

Don't be a twat. That's why i put (sp) because i didn't know the correct spelling.

I 100% feel threatened by groups of people in keffiyehs. People throwing kefir are fine though.

Maybe because a group of teenage boys in keffiyehs surrounded my daughter in the hallway of her high school when she was 11 and yelled Free Palestine in her face and wouldn't let her leave until a teacher spotted them. Maybe because a group of keffiyeh waving thugs painted swastikas on my father's synagogue. Maybe because it is meant to be intimidating and hateful.

Not because he's Jewish. Being Jewish and supporting Israel in certain areas are completely separate.

So because I'm Jewish I should be deported?

No, I did not say that. I said "I think Jews in the UK have every right to support Israel".

I did also say that I believe that it is reasonable to support the idea that if people's loyalty is to something other than UK, then we should try to deport them if we can. Note - I said " it is reasonable to support the idea", I did not say "I support the idea". I think the UK is deeply divided and that we need to try to unite around shared values. Those values are not religion or ethnicity, but those values should certainly involve supporting our country above other countries.

I think anyone who says that their religion will always trump the country they live in is a potential traitor.

It is possible to be anti Israel and not be Anti Semitic. I know Jewish people who are anti Israel

But I genuinely don't understand what you mean.

How can my loyalty be split between Judaism and Scottish (or British I suppose)? Those... aren't the same thing. One is a religion and one is a nationality? i wouldn't have the first clue whether I am more or less of one or the other, I am both all the time.

The comment does not apply to you then.

If you were to say "I am loyal to Scotland and Judaism, but if my religious leaders were to tell me to bomb the Scottish parliament I would do so, but I would not bomb a synagogue on behalf of the scottish government" then your loyalties would be to judaism and not scotland and I would (ideally) prefer that you were not in the country.

Bumping my previous post as I still see repeated reference to people 'wearing kefirs' 😂

I wouldn't bomb a synagogue if Nicola Sturgeon told me to either. Mostly I wouldn't participate in violence for anyone. I think it's fair enough to look at violent hateful people but just having a split loyalty (I'm a citizen of 3 countries) doesn't mean you're capable of violence.

Yes I believe it would. I don’t think this is waffling shite at all - there’s plenty of us Jews who are vehemently anti Israel you know, and we don’t all see anti semitism in every challenge to genocide.

The only us Jews who are vehemently anti-Israel I've come across are the Neteuri Karta and I have no desire to be associated with a tiny fringe cult of nutters so less of the 'we' please.