AIBU to think if you're a net negative in tax you shouldn't be able to vote?

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Trigger warning: strong political views / rant incoming. A shrinking group is expected to fund an expanding system. The system increasingly penalises work while rewarding dependency.

AIBU to think the modern state is a parasite, and that only those who are a net positive in taxes should be able to vote, rather than forcing working people to support an ever-growing dependent class?

Currently ~21% of working-age adults are economically inactive, meaning not working and not actively seeking work (according to a research brief from the House of Commons). Democracy is broken if voters can vote themselves benefits paid for by others. Representation should be weighted toward those with demonstrable responsibility and contribution.

Currently, the state is extractive and hollowing out the middle class. As anyone that has the eyes to see and ears to hear will know, dependency is rising and and demographics are changing at a rate not seen outside of wartime.

To address this simply, I think if you’re on benefits you should lose the right to vote until you’re a net positive. That would restore equilibrium.

This is essentially Chesterton’s test of a society.

"An honest man falls in love with an honest woman. He wishes, therefore, to marry her, to be the father of her children, to secure her and himself. All systems of government should be tested by whether he can do this.

If any system, feudal, servile, or barbaric, does in fact give him enough land, work, or security that he can do it, there is the essence of liberty and justice.

If any system, Labour, Conservative, Liberal Democrat, Green, Reform, or technocratic, does in fact give him wages so low and conditions so insecure that he cannot do it, there is the essence of tyranny and shame."

If the state could stop turning people into dependents that working people have to pay for, that would be great. The state is bloated, fixated on wealth redistribution rather than wealth creation, and actively working against the people it is meant to represent. It is incapable of creating the conditions for wealth, stability, and independence. This is managed decline, and we need some adults in the room who have read a book. AIBU?

Which would result in better decision like remain in the referendum

Please stop asking sensible questions. It’s just not that sort of thread…

I see what you are saying however most people aren’t contributing more in tax but providing are working ft are creating westh for the company owners and their bosses etc.
i do think we have issues where it pays to he on UC get and council house and essentially give up work. And then the families are getting fsm free buses to school etc.
but then there are also sen parents unable to work. But other sen parents demanding private sen schooling without trying the local schools. Plus costs of transport.
And loads of kids with mild sen getting dla too.

Then the mps with mouths in the trough.

So i wouldnt say positive on tax but possibly working 35h a week maybe.

But fundamentally its unfair to the young generation where the pensioners are so numerous and expensive, but mainly they are able to control the voting. So they couldnt even take away the wonter fueñ payment. (I dont mean they should or not but they couldnt)

Anyway voting is pretty pointless because most people want the boats stopped but labour came in changed the plan from Africa (again not agreeing but at least it was a plan).
I hace hated having kids in the uk circumstances. Crap healthcare from birth to teen, crap schooling.
Though actually with both of those its not predominantly money that has been the problem its opinion (gps here who dont prescribe AB led to very unwell child). And schools i think that choose to do the minimum.

Though i guess maybe the issue is still the same that those in work are resentful and dont want to do anything. And the unemployed some are relatively lazy.

So if you’re a young working family but on a low income, always have been and you get tax credits.

You are seriously saying the adults shouldn’t get the vote?
Absolutely dystopian.

Education by the state should be a safety net to give people opportunity! However, yes, if you pay private then that's better for the state and likely means better education for our citizens.

ODFOD

The consequences of giving women the vote create the most compelling case for withdrawing the franchise. I am of course trolling (somewhat...)

Ah, those useless eaters!

What an incredibly narrow minded view of what it means to contribute to society. I suspect a significant chunk of those economically inactive people are women looking after small children, adult children with disabilities, or elderly relatives. Would you think they were contributing more if they dumped those responsibilities on the local council so they could go back to work and pay tax? It would inevitably cost a whole lot more.

Yes, you're dependent on others. You're welcome to have the help but no vote for you!

We are in the dystopia

Also, I'm curious about your though process. At the minute, you're net positive so can vote, right?

What happens if 2026 is a terrible year for you health wise? Say you're in a terrible accident requiring costly NHS care, then find out you have a multitude of costly long term health conditions to contend with. Is someone monitoring your use of the NHS? When you hit the threshold for being 'burden', do you get a red letter through the post telling you your voting rights have been revoked?

The optimal environment for children is a loving family. Mum and Dad.

Yep, exactly. You've become dependent on others and can't vote until you earn it back. If ever.

You sound unhinged.

Ach, what a lot of goady shite.

YABU, obvs.

Can’t spell “your”/“you’re” but pay 55% tax!

Well I thought if we were going back to 1832 might as well go completely bats.

So anyone who's not working, or only working part time in a low pay role, to care for others, maybe for elderly parents, or young / disabled children - should have no influence on policy in those kinds of areas, even though they have first hand experience of the difficulties these groups face?

What if he has an affair and leaves for the OW. Does the mum lose her vote if she works part time?

I think Mums with more than two kids shouldn't have to pay tax tho. Does that help?

A lot of AI bullshit and goadiness.

Got nothing better to do with your time?

Not disputing that, but you're carefully ignoring the bit about disabilities and the elderly - "economically inactive" women save the government millions by caring for them

I think Mums with more than two kids shouldn't have to pay tax.

But currently I benefit hugely from the state education other people have recieved. So is that my debt?